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Thread: OFFICIAL: Landry Fields is a Toronto Raptor

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    What PHX gets in a S&T matters to PHX and if Nash is trying to get to a team that does not have to throw away serious assets to give him the most money, then what PHX gets also matters to him I think.

    You are correct though: one has to wonder about Nash's desire to play in Toronto.

    Him looking to join the Knicks flies in the face of everything he has said publicly though. He is entitled to a change of heart and sign where ever he chooses as he is an UFA, however, from what I know of Nash (albeit only through media as I do not know the guy personally nor claim to have a link to his personal thoughts), I would be surprised if he really only starting thinking about all this on July 1st.
    That's just it, you'd think he already knew in his heart where he wanted to play. The rest is just being true to his word, both to other franchises and to Phoenix.

    Although it matters to Phoenix what they receive in S&T, all the power rests with Nash, since he doesn't need to do a S&T at all. If he wants to come to Toronto and Phoenix is holding up the deal because they're not happy with the S&T deal that BC is offering, Nash has the power to decide just to sign with Toronto as an UFA. The way everything appears to be playing out makes me fear that Toronto isn't his first choice, unfortunately.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    That's just it, you'd think he already knew in his heart where he wanted to play. The rest is just being true to his word, both to other franchises and to Phoenix.

    Although it matters to Phoenix what they receive in S&T, all the power rests with Nash, since he doesn't need to do a S&T at all. If he wants to come to Toronto and Phoenix is holding up the deal because they're not happy with the S&T deal that BC is offering, Nash has the power to decide just to sign with Toronto as an UFA. The way everything appears to be playing out makes me fear that Toronto isn't his first choice, unfortunately.
    One thing to also consider is that players talk.. and they probably talk all the time. Guys like Amare and Carmelo have probably pitched NY to him all season long. Toronto has nobody on their roster that Nash would even listen to. So the only chance Toronto really had to offer a pitch was July 1st. Steve is probably considering all his choices and NY may have been his #1 choice prior to July 1.. if I was him, I'd want to listen to that offer before I made a decision.

    I just hope that Toronto's pitch was rock solid.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    That's just it, you'd think he already knew in his heart where he wanted to play. The rest is just being true to his word, both to other franchises and to Phoenix.

    Although it matters to Phoenix what they receive in S&T, all the power rests with Nash, since he doesn't need to do a S&T at all. If he wants to come to Toronto and Phoenix is holding up the deal because they're not happy with the S&T deal that BC is offering, Nash has the power to decide just to sign with Toronto as an UFA. The way everything appears to be playing out makes me fear that Toronto isn't his first choice, unfortunately.
    But what if Nash and BC/Toronto are banking on a S&T being executed with PHX so they don't have to lose assets and Toronto can field the most competitive team possible? PHX might be refusing to S&T with Toronto to get more assets from them.

    If Nash was serious about the money and seeking market value, the Knicks can still only offer $8M I believe.

    I'm still very skeptical of all these NY 'sources' and really do hope Nash makes a decision in the next day or two. Most of these NY writers operate under NY and the Knicks is the greatest place in the world and anyone would wan to play there. Unfortunately a slew of top FA's in 2010 showed that to be false.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Please do not subject other RR members to your ongoing quest for supremacy.
    Again, more BS. Stop trying to make me seem like the villain here.

    If you're trying admit you're wrong and that you'd no longer like to continue, that's fine; I respect that decision. Otherwise, if you want, we can continue this discussion. Conversations don't stop just because one person is wrong.

    I have tried to keep things civil but your irreverent attitude is making it difficult than it should be. You know what I'm talking about here.

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    Again, more BS. Stop trying to make me seem like the villain here.

    If you're trying admit you're wrong and that you'd no longer like to continue, that's fine; I respect that decision. Otherwise, if you want, we can continue this discussion. Conversations don't stop just because one person is wrong.

    I have tried to keep things civil but your irreverent attitude is making it difficult than it should be. You know what I'm talking about here.
    OK, who slept with who's girlfriend/wife here? You guys should just ignore one another and keep your sanity.

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    Again, more BS. Stop trying to make me seem like the villain here.

    If you're trying admit you're wrong and that you'd no longer like to continue, that's fine; I respect that decision. Otherwise, if you want, we can continue this discussion. Conversations don't stop just because one person is wrong.

    I have tried to keep things civil but your irreverent attitude is making it difficult than it should be. You know what I'm talking about here.
    If you haven't noticed, I lost interest long ago. I don't understand what your grudge is all about or what it is 'you are talking about here'. Quite frankly I also don't care.

    You are right. I am wrong. If that is not enough:



    Seriously, I don't know what you want. Please leave me alone.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If you haven't noticed, I lost interest long ago. I don't understand what your grudge is all about or what it is 'you are talking about here'. Quite frankly I also don't care.

    You are right. I am wrong. If that is not enough:



    Seriously, I don't know what you want. Please leave me alone.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Sorry irrelevant post.

    I was told on this forum, that the Knicks have 3 days after July 11th to match the offer, correct? If Knicks match they have a bit over 3$ mill to sign Nash?

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    Btw: if it seems clear that Nash will not sign with us, can we withdraw the offer to Fields (before july 7th)?

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    Btw: if it seems clear that Nash will not sign with us, can we withdraw the offer to Fields (before july 7th)?
    I hope not. Bad business. There is a serious lack of quality wing players on the market. I went through the list of free agents and I can't find any that are that much better. We're overpaying for him, but we know the circumstances. It's been talked about enough.

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    Quote Michel G wrote: View Post
    I hope not. Bad business. There is a serious lack of quality wing players on the market. I went through the list of free agents and I can't find any that are that much better. We're overpaying for him, but we know the circumstances. It's been talked about enough.
    I'd rather rescind the offer and go after Iguodala, with any of Davis/Amir, JJ, Bayless and 2013 1st round pick (top-6 protected) going to Philly. I'd rather be paying money to Iggy than Fields. Who cares if his agent is pissed, people will understand it was contingent on Nash signing. If they don't, who cares, BC has a team to run.

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    Not sure if I like Iggy here without Nash. I would rather blow away Minnesota with an offer on Batum (with more emphasis placed on our future)....and I'm not even a big Batum fan.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I'd rather rescind the offer and go after Iguodala, with any of Davis/Amir, JJ, Bayless and 2013 1st round pick (top-6 protected) going to Philly. I'd rather be paying money to Iggy than Fields. Who cares if his agent is pissed, people will understand it was contingent on Nash signing. If they don't, who cares, BC has a team to run.
    If this deal fails to go through BC doesn't have to run the team anymore. Mr.canada is not interested in signing for us despite offering him more money than he is worth. why would the bigboys show any interest in signing for us?

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I'd rather rescind the offer and go after Iguodala, with any of Davis/Amir, JJ, Bayless and 2013 1st round pick (top-6 protected) going to Philly. I'd rather be paying money to Iggy than Fields. Who cares if his agent is pissed, people will understand it was contingent on Nash signing. If they don't, who cares, BC has a team to run.
    Still bad business. And it's not just Field's agent, it's all the other agents that wouldn't be impressed. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I don't see why Philly would trade Iguodala, especially with what Toronto has to offer.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Not sure if I like Iggy here without Nash. I would rather blow away Minnesota with an offer on Batum (with more emphasis placed on our future)....and I'm not even a big Batum fan.
    True. I just assumed that
    A) Portland would match any offer for Batum
    B) Batum wouldn't be interested in Toronto, since he stated he only wants to play for Minnesota or Portland, and Minny already offered him a max contract, so it's not like Toronto could out-bid them

    I also assume Gay is off the table at this point too.

    The other option is to just keep cap space available for trade deadline and/or next offseason... yatta yatta yatta shoot me now

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    Quote Michel G wrote: View Post
    Still bad business. And it's not just Field's agent, it's all the other agents that wouldn't be impressed. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I don't see why Philly would trade Iguodala, especially with what Toronto has to offer.
    He's rumored to be available and I was only using him as an example. There's a whole thread dedicated to discussing other SF options for the Raptors...

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    He's rumored to be available and I was only using him as an example. There's a whole thread dedicated to discussing other SF options for the Raptors...
    That was only an afterthought. I thought we were discussing rescinding the offer to Fields.

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    BC should give Indiana a call about Granger, he may be expendable if indiana want to match the Hibbert offer sheet

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    Quote Michel G wrote: View Post
    I hope not. Bad business. There is a serious lack of quality wing players on the market. I went through the list of free agents and I can't find any that are that much better. We're overpaying for him, but we know the circumstances. It's been talked about enough.
    Pull the offer. That deal looks really stupid without Nash in the equation. Pulling this offer isn't going to damage Colangelo. It not final right now. This is all part of the business. I'd rather roll with the spot being a weakness than roll with a guy getting diuble what he's worth on average.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    BC should give Indiana a call about Granger, he may be expendable if indiana want to match the Hibbert offer sheet
    If we get Granger then James Johnson and him will need to fight to the death for the spot on the roster. Bad blood.

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    Guys, David Stern could still nix this trade. He doesn't like it when the Lakers try to get any all-star PG.

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