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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    2) stats indicate the Knicks are better on the floor, his win share is 60%, his oppPER per 48mins is 15.2 at SG and 13.8 at SF.
    I don't think you understand how win shares are calculated.

    I don't see how the stats support your claim. The average PER always hovers around 15. His oppPER indicates that he'll be an average or marginally above average defender at best.
    3) over one game? Definitely not. Over the course of 66 games? I think it certainly is relevant and, yes, does translate to wins with sufficient minutes played per game.
    +/- is one of the most useless stats in basketball. It's more dependent on the quality of a player's teammates than any other stat.

    Case in point: Josh Harrellson has a 8.5 +/-

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Take Weems. Who cares?
    He would be rather redundant if the Knicks do not match

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Are you a GM?

    Is this really Chad Ford?

    How do you know?

    I certainly don't know that of which I do know.
    I am not a GM and either is Chad Ford but have you heard any reports at all of any team offering Fields a contract let alone a 3 year $20 million dollar deal?

    As for the comment of him being not as good as Batum that is my humble opinion. Perhaps you disagree but as our friend Nash has indicated, money is respect in the NBA and there has been more respect offered to Batum apparently than there has been for Fields.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    1) When Woodson took over did you see Fields turn into a lock-down defender? Shumpert perhaps but not Fields.
    2) What do the stats indicate? Once again please show me how he is a lock-down defender
    3) + and - are cool but does it translate to wins?

    For the 1 and a half years that he was playing for D└ntonio and an offensive minded squad where was his offensive production? Anthony killed it. Right.

    You still can`t respond either to the money invested into a role player.

    Fields is a role player and I do not see these type of contracts being handed out to these type of dudes unless they are bigs.
    All contract gripes aside, I'm not sure where this Fields-is-a-bad-defender stuff is coming from. I'm not going to throw out any stats, just a few observations to quell some of the vitriol.

    1) Fields is a 3. He's got SF size, lacks SG speed, and rebounds like a forward. Everything about his game indicates that he should be played at the 3, not the 2. As a result, making him play the 2 (see: C. Anthony) is going to make it tougher for him on defense.

    2) I watched a decent amount of knicks games. Fields was consistently asked to guard the best wing on the floor (whether that was to keep Anthony out of foul trouble, or just because Fields was the better defender, who knows). Again, that is going to (especially statistically) influence his perceived defensive abilities.

    3) Nothing fancy here: he passes the eyeball test. Watch some footage -- the guy is a solid defender. Moves his feet, closes out well, rotates well, uses his weight effectively, boxes out well etc.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Take him! Please!
    Co-Signed.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Batum hasn't really proved to be that kind of player. 14 million a year? Forget that. Both players have potential. But there's no way you can tell me Batum has more potential than Fields.
    Why can I not?

    Look at their respective numbers since they have been in the league.

    What basis would be your argument for indicating that Fields has equal or more potential than Batum?

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    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    Haha.

    Knicks can have all of them. Weems, Alabi, Gray, Butler, Carter, Forbes, Anderson, Magloire for Lin and Fields.

    I was hoping to hold onto Bayless

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    i guess Machado might be getting a call after all
    He is playing with Houston's summer league team.

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    Quote jbml wrote: View Post
    I 'll agree with the amnesty, but I think the exemptions are gone except for this one

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    I don't see how they lose their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception. The bi-annual I realize they used on Forbes. But they are not a tax-payer and well under the luxury tax threshold.

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    Quote jbml wrote: View Post
    My concern is the Bird right's as well. They are exemptions for teams over the cap.

    But yes lots of opportunity for trades
    But the MLE is for teams over the salary cap. The Raps have used their MLE on this deal: $5M, $5M, $9M poison pill.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    I am not a GM and either is Chad Ford but have you heard any reports at all of any team offering Fields a contract let alone a 3 year $20 million dollar deal?

    As for the comment of him being not as good as Batum that is my humble opinion. Perhaps you disagree but as our friend Nash has indicated, money is respect in the NBA and there has been more respect offered to Batum apparently than there has been for Fields.
    I wouldn't call this offer sheet a typical attempt to sign an RFA. This has more to do with eliminating the NYK from Nash contention than it does with Fields.

    Without this offer, NYK could include Fields in a S&T for Nash, while offering Nash up to $8M per season. Now Fields can't be included in any trade and the most NYK can offer Nash is $3M (or S&T for scrap players).

    Batum was my 2nd choice after Gay for the Raptors to pursue, in the $8-10M per season range. Once the price went up to $14M, I think that's too much. I'd gladly offer $8-10M for potential, but if I'm paying $14M, I want the player to be a proven star! Batum has not yet proven to be worthy of that kind of money.

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    Quote pakdawgie wrote: View Post
    I don't see how they lose their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception. The bi-annual I realize they used on Forbes. But they are not a tax-payer and well under the luxury tax threshold.
    Even if you are under the salary cap you have a MLE to use. To use your cap space under the salary cap you have to renounce the MLE.

    They lost the MLE because they used it to sign Fields thereby maintaining their rights over Bayless, Weems, and Gray (plus Wright - lol).

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    I think even if you could do that, you'd never work as a GM again. Good luck talking to any agents.
    That would be like what's his name with the big contract who walked away from a Portland offer

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    1) Fields has always been a good defender.
    2) stats indicate the Knicks are better on the floor, his win share is 60%, his oppPER per 48mins is 15.2 at SG and 13.8 at SF.
    3) over one game? Definitely not. Over the course of 66 games? I think it certainly is relevant and, yes, does translate to wins with sufficient minutes played per game.

    I still can't respond either to the money invested into a role player? What does that mean? If it is what I think it means, check post 90. Cost of doing business in the NBA with players not on rookie deals. I think the message you are conveying is: JJ/Kleiza is not a good option, overpaying Batum is not a good idea, taking on an overpaid veteran like Gay or AI is not a good idea, paying for a 24 year old who seems to fit the mold of Casey's system is not a good idea either. Got ya. Raps should fold and head to Seattle.

    Last point: check post 90.
    Lol, my message had nothing to do with the Raps other options at SF. My comment had only to do with paying $20 million dollars to Landry Fields. I suggested nothing about other options for the Raptors so the whole `fold and head to Seattle stuff is you and your over-dramatization.`

    It will be interesting to see how much of a lock-down defender Fields is next year.

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    Will everybody slow the ^&*%$^& down. I can't keep up

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    Why can I not?

    Look at their respective numbers since they have been in the league.

    What basis would be your argument for indicating that Fields has equal or more potential than Batum?
    Well, if you want to take that route, Fields put up comparable numbers to Batum last season in what was considered a "down year" for Fields, and played less minutes.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    But the MLE is for teams over the salary cap. The Raps have used their MLE on this deal: $5M, $5M, $9M poison pill.
    I am thinking we didn't because we had to go the $6.67 route. Thusly used our cap space ??

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    No can seem to answer everytime i ask what makes Batum a special player.....

    Im not being sarcastic, i really want to know, because i really cant see it.
    Young vet. Multi tool player that has size and atheticism to defend the 2 and 3 spots on the floor. Solid efficiency and has improved every year he has been in the league.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't call this offer sheet a typical attempt to sign an RFA. This has more to do with eliminating the NYK from Nash contention than it does with Fields.

    Without this offer, NYK could include Fields in a S&T for Nash, while offering Nash up to $8M per season. Now Fields can't be included in any trade and the most NYK can offer Nash is $3M (or S&T for scrap players).

    Batum was my 2nd choice after Gay for the Raptors to pursue, in the $8-10M per season range. Once the price went up to $14M, I think that's too much. I'd gladly offer $8-10M for potential, but if I'm paying $14M, I want the player to be a proven star! Batum has not yet proven to be worthy of that kind of money.
    $14M is Deng money. I'd rather have Deng than Batum. At least I know what I'm going to get with Deng. He may be 4 years older, but is still only 27. Deng/AI over Batum @ $14M!

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    I was being sarcastic.
    We need a sarcastic icon! The smiley face doesn't do it. When we're done with Nash and Fields and JV's ROY award, let's work on that.

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