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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    From these first three games, I've been watching closely to Houston and Toronto.

    Specifically, Jeremy Lamb vs. Terrence Ross..

    I'm really starting to wonder if we should've selected Lamb over Ross, because the guy has multiple ways of scoring. He doesn't have the great range of Ross, but he sure as hell can shoot.
    Today, leading his team with 19 points, he was impressive by scoring in different ways, which was really nice to see. The guy has good confidence in his skills. Ross was playing frustrated, and really could only score by shooting jump-shots. I know Ross is very capable of getting to the rim with his above-average handle, and athleticism, not only to add along his shooting ability.

    First 3 games Scoring Numbers for Jeremy Lamb: vs. Toronto 16 points + 6/11 FG - vs. Washington 26 points + 8-15 FG - vs. Sacramento 19 points + 7-15 FG
    Not to mention his shooting percentages have been solid.

    First 3 games Scoring Numbers for Terrence Ross: vs. Miami 14 points on 14 FG attempts (ouch) - vs. Houston 21 points on 8/19 shooting - vs. Dallas 11 points on 5/12 FG
    With shooting percentages down the drain.

    I know there is more to basketball obviously than scoring, but we needed talent, and scoring is a big area of that.
    Ross came in to bring shooting and scoring, and that was something Lamb was projected to do as well. As of this moment, Lamb is winning the battle, and really winning on a larger margin.

    I'm starting to really go with the fact why Lamb was projected at 8th, not Ross.

    P.S, you may be asking 'how about Austin Rivers?' Well, honestly, I could give a camel's shit about Austin Rivers right now.

    EDIT* I know the talent on the teams are different, obviously Houston has the better talent, but Ross is very capable of getting the numbers and shooting percentages on a team without the good point guard or good post.

    Oh yeah, who the hell is Plaisted? Guy was really garbage.
    yeah but the rockets probably have one of if not the best summer league team. Ross and Ed are the only decent players on the entire team. its more of a "the other guys are really bad" than "ross is playing underwhelmingly"
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    I watched most of this Rators/Mavs game. Plaisted was solid, 6 points, 7 rebounds. His +/- was 0 which was the best on the Raptors and he was on the floor for 31 minutes.

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    Anyone else realize how bad Waiter is in the Summer League? 10 PPG on 27.3% FG and 25.0% 3FG. Thank god we didn't get him!

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    Anyone else realize how bad Waiter is in the Summer League? 10 PPG on 27.3% FG and 25.0% 3FG. Thank god we didn't get him!
    This has to be sarcasm, right? 'Cause if someone were to judge a guys NBA career on 3 summer league games...

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    Jeremy Lamb has more skills than Terrence Ross - plain and simple. The Raptors chose to go with the player that fits the system they are trying to build. I guess the determining factor in this is the toughness factor Ross brings, especially on defense.

    Skill-wise, it would take a lot for someone to convince me Ross has the edge.
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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    This has to be sarcasm, right? 'Cause if someone were to judge a guys NBA career on 3 summer league games...
    I know it's just based on 3 summer league games, but I'm actually serious. I never said he wasn't gonna have a good NBA career. I just said he was doing pretty bad in summer league for a guy who was draft 4th. If you watch his games, he doesn't shoot that well, he's forcing his game way too much and only averages 4 FTA for a guy who was compared to Wade when it comes to getting to the rack. Not to mention that his defense was lacking and he looked a bit overweight for some reason. Not sure if it's just the camera adding 10 pounds. I'm not saying he's not gonna be a good player one day, but just saying he has a lot of work ahead of him to be good in the NBA. So please Waiter, prove me wrong

    On a different note, Tyler Zeller has been really impressive. I really like his game.
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    Quote torch19 wrote: View Post
    Jeremy Lamb has more skills than Terrence Ross - plain and simple. The Raptors chose to go with the player that fits the system they are trying to build. I guess the determining factor in this is the toughness factor Ross brings, especially on defense.

    Skill-wise, it would take a lot for someone to convince me Ross has the edge.
    Lamb was who I assumed we'd get when Barnes went at 7. But was jacked with the Ross pick after game 1 and felt good about his game 2. Game 3 there was more negative than positive imo. But we're only 3 games in to summer league, not pre-season, not regular season.

    Lamb looks like a smooth scorer but i don't think he would have been the gutsier pick. He was better known and ranked higher by most. Ross has more elite athleticism and NBA range. They may have projected him with a higher ceiling. Perhaps with Barnes gone (who they may have considered a lock for the 3 spot), they figured they'd have time to develop a player with high upside, who would likely be coming off the bench as a rotation player
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    Quote torch19 wrote: View Post
    Jeremy Lamb has more skills than Terrence Ross - plain and simple. The Raptors chose to go with the player that fits the system they are trying to build. I guess the determining factor in this is the toughness factor Ross brings, especially on defense.

    Skill-wise, it would take a lot for someone to convince me Ross has the edge.
    According to the reports The Raptors chose the players that was highest on their list of best prospects of available players. Do you have any proof for your argument that this wasn't the case beyond your own talent assessment?

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Which means if you want a Courtney Lee/ Mo Pete type of a player that will average between 8 to 14 points a game you take Ross. Lamb was the bigger risk/high reward pick which meant he was still young & raw and is yet unknown whether he would be worse then Ross or could become an Allen Houston/Reggie Miller type who avg close or over 20 points a game player.
    Allan Houston was actually pretty limited in what he contributed to the Knicks. Not a ton of FTs, bad rebounder, fine passer. He shot 3s like crazy, which is the buzz around Ross, and he also seems like a more aggressive defender. If he ends up being a guy who can hit the 3 really well, aggressively defends 2s/smaller 3s, and can get to the line when needs to, I'll be pretty excited to have that on the team.

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    Jeremy Lamb is a better shooter. I think the raptors liked what they saw with TR with his overall game. Defense, motor, coachable. From a pure offensive standpoint JL might be better but as a complete game probably not. Why not compare these two players stats at the end of the season barring injury and make an evaluation rather than chicken little during 3 summer league games.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    From these first three games, I've been watching closely to Houston and Toronto.

    Specifically, Jeremy Lamb vs. Terrence Ross..

    I'm really starting to wonder if we should've selected Lamb over Ross, because the guy has multiple ways of scoring. He doesn't have the great range of Ross, but he sure as hell can shoot.
    Today, leading his team with 19 points, he was impressive by scoring in different ways, which was really nice to see. The guy has good confidence in his skills. Ross was playing frustrated, and really could only score by shooting jump-shots. I know Ross is very capable of getting to the rim with his above-average handle, and athleticism, not only to add along his shooting ability.

    First 3 games Scoring Numbers for Jeremy Lamb: vs. Toronto 16 points + 6/11 FG - vs. Washington 26 points + 8-15 FG - vs. Sacramento 19 points + 7-15 FG
    Not to mention his shooting percentages have been solid.

    First 3 games Scoring Numbers for Terrence Ross: vs. Miami 14 points on 14 FG attempts (ouch) - vs. Houston 21 points on 8/19 shooting - vs. Dallas 11 points on 5/12 FG
    With shooting percentages down the drain.

    I know there is more to basketball obviously than scoring, but we needed talent, and scoring is a big area of that.
    Ross came in to bring shooting and scoring, and that was something Lamb was projected to do as well. As of this moment, Lamb is winning the battle, and really winning on a larger margin.

    I'm starting to really go with the fact why Lamb was projected at 8th, not Ross.

    P.S, you may be asking 'how about Austin Rivers?' Well, honestly, I could give a camel's shit about Austin Rivers right now.

    EDIT* I know the talent on the teams are different, obviously Houston has the better talent, but Ross is very capable of getting the numbers and shooting percentages on a team without the good point guard or good post.

    Oh yeah, who the hell is Plaisted? Guy was really garbage.
    There are two ends in the game of bball. Lamb mOst likely is better O player but on D there is no question. Overall I do think Ross is better player/pick.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    From these first three games, I've been watching closely to Houston and Toronto.

    Specifically, Jeremy Lamb vs. Terrence Ross
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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    According to the reports The Raptors chose the players that was highest on their list of best prospects of available players. Do you have any proof for your argument that this wasn't the case beyond your own talent assessment?
    This was from the Alex Rucker interview with Tom Liston

    When we got to our actual pick, we took the best player available
    but then later in the interview he goes on to say:

    “Best player available” doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists in the context of your team, the players on your roster, and how that player will fit in with those things. I think sometimes people confuse “most potential” or “most skilled player” with “best”. Analytically, “best” relates to the sum of a player’s contributions to his team – and that’s rarely going to align with either of those two alternate definitions.
    given that, it sounds like what the Raptors saw as 'best player available' is different than when fans talk 'best player available'. What I mean by that is Raptors choose best player available in context of a 'need' (or 'fit'), and not necessarily the absolute 'best player'.

    What the Raptors needed was a wing player who could shoot and contribute immediately. (not suprising given Casey's post season comments)

    Put more simply, the Raptors selected the most reliable and likely to contribute wing player available. But passed on the 'high ceiling, low floor' guys along with potentially better players who played other positions in doing so.

    What the Raptors are calling the best player available is probably much more likely defined in fan lingo as best fit.

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    A little early to start saying Lamb would have been the better pick. I really like Ross' game so far and think his poor performance in summer league is due to our team being so bad. All the pressure is on him to do the scoring.

    I think he'll be a much better player when the floor is spaced out. The NBA is a game of isolation plays more than anything else this day and age. I would give Ross the edge over Lamb in breaking players down off the perimeter. Plus he seems to have a pretty high motor...kid is always going hard. Lets hold off the judgement for a while.

    By the way, imo Waiters is going to kill it in iso situations.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    This was from the Alex Rucker interview with Tom Liston



    but then later in the interview he goes on to say:



    given that, it sounds like what the Raptors saw as 'best player available' is different than when fans talk 'best player available'. What I mean by that is Raptors choose best player available in context of a 'need' (or 'fit'), and not necessarily the absolute 'best player'.

    What the Raptors needed was a wing player who could shoot and contribute immediately. (not suprising given Casey's post season comments)

    Put more simply, the Raptors selected the most reliable and likely to contribute wing player available. But passed on the 'high ceiling, low floor' guys along with potentially better players who played other positions in doing so.

    What the Raptors are calling the best player available is probably much more likely defined in fan lingo as best fit.
    I don't think enough weight is being given yo the defensive side of the ball in these evaluations.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't think enough weight is being given yo the defensive side of the ball in these evaluations.
    thats the story of Brian Colangelo's tenure here is it not?

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    I was at the store and I saw this and it made me think of you. I hope you like it.


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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    thats the story of Brian Colangelo's tenure here is it not?
    I am confused. A much better defensive player with motor (ross) was selected over a slightly better offensive player who is not as good defensively and a questionable motor.

    Overall I think the better player was selected.

    What is the prOblem?

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I am confused. A much better defensive player with motor (ross) was selected over a slightly better offensive player who is not as good defensively and a questionable motor.

    Overall I think the better player was selected.

    What is the prOblem?
    where did I say there was a problem?

    my point was to Soft Euro where the Raps didn't necessarily select the 'best player available', rather they selected the best fit and called it the best player available.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    where did I say there was a problem?

    my point was to Soft Euro where the Raps didn't necessarily select the 'best player available', rather they selected the best fit and called it the best player available.
    how to you know ross isnt the best player available for the raps? they said he was the next guy on their board...

    Are you guys really bashing BC after 3 summer league games? holy shit have some patience hasnt played an nba game yet....you might as well bash jonas while you at it

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