Agreed. No problem with Calderon carrying on with the Raps. Would rather have Jose running the show than Dragic or Lowry. At least we know what we're getting with Jose. Gotta feeling he's going to have a career season no matter where he plays. If no Nash...hopefully it's still Jose in T.O.octothorp wrote:
Plan B: Tank like we've never tanked before
@jerboat
the best route at this point is probably roll with Jose and target a guy like Holliday next year who the sixers have already said they won't offer a big contract to. problem with that is Jose is playing in the olympics this year and we all know how thats going to end up...
@jerboat
Draft Express says we can get Adonis Thomas with the 8th pick next year. And he's a SF!!Plan B: Tank like we've never tanked before
Things are looking up already.
if jose has a big 1st half of the season...alot of teams will be interested since he is an expiring...its hard to be optimistic right now fuck but i think you have to stick with jose, lin and dragic is not worth it
Prediction on Nash. He signs with New York so show Canada that he cannot be treated like a whore. He gets hurt mid season and career is over and we all say, "WOW, GLAD IT WASN'T US!" lol Enough about Nash now. He is playing us for a joke!
Plan A: Nash
Plan B: Goran Dragic
Plan C: Jeremy Lin
Plan D: Jose Calderon
... You know if Nash bolt, they'll at least make an attempt to have the other FA PG's in for a chat.
edit: For the record, I don't think B or C are huge Jose upgrades, just younger and would be locked in for longer.
The only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show... and see if she likes the goods.
Christ this thing was/is just so emotional though. We're so flipant it's actually crazy. We're crazy! I think it's amazing how we've lost all perspective on everything regarding the Raps. Losing out on Nash does suck because he would have given us some legitimacy, but does it ruin us, no, not really. Will we have to overpay players to be here, yes. Not because of Canada, because we're an unsuccessful small market team.
In all this though, it shows just how damned much we love ball. Every year I try to distance myself from the Raps, convinced that I'm tired of the re-building, the new systems, coaches, and mid level picks and players...but I can't. Because I love it. All is makes me want to do is pay $19 for a beer in the cheap seats, spread peanut shells all over the place, and watch the rook dunk on the opposition in a losing but valiant effort.
Go Raps!
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this is exactly why we should be building through the draft and not putting all our eggs in one basket
@jerboat
Ceez, let's be honest. There is no Plan B. I'm not even sure there was a Plan A beyond signing Nash. I think Nash figured that out, too.
say it with me
Jennings!Jennings!Jennings!Jennings!
wouldnt only building through the draft be putting all our eggs in 1 basket aswell? if Nash doesnt come here its not BC's fault he did everything he could.. if BC doesnt have a back up plan then he is to blame for that.. i really wish if nash didnt want to come here he had come out & said so on day 1 of free agency... now IMO if he indeed does go to Knicks he used us for leverage, & im sure canadians wont forget that..
What do I think we'll do? Probably sign Dragic and keep Jose.
Honestly, it will not be so bad having Jose continuing to run the show, we just won't be that much better than we were last year (I am not sure Jose EVER lead us to an above 500 record as a starter..TJ was our starter for the 47 win season).
The main point is that if we can't get Nash, it's back to reality. We have to look for a PG that can be groomed to lead this team, and we have to look to improve slowly over time while seeing what JV can do.
The failure will be gigantically public and a tad embarrassing for us, but we'll just move on and be forced to maintain our mediocrity for a period of time.
Can we put this post under http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...rive-You-Nuts? hehehe
This is actually what ive envisioned happening. Raptors lose out on Nash, fans start hating nash calling him a traitor, fans call for BC's head coz he didnt get the deal done, then back to square one.
Call me naive, and i may well be, but i really think, with JV and Ross, a full camp and hopefully a much improved Demar and Bargnani, i think they can contend for a playoff spot. Next season, let Calderon's contract expire, sign him for cheap and get aggressive in the FA market.
Sign the best young player available who will fit the system and them work a trade after the fact to fill in the gaps.
I wouldn't be expecting big returns from any Calderon trade midway through the season (using the Barbosa trade as a measuring stick).
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
I wasn't sure if you were serious or not, but I fear that you are.. Nash is playing basketball and doing business. I am POSITIVE that there will never be a young, talented Canadian that gets the call from Canadian Basketball and says, "I'd play for you guys, but Nash chose NY over Toronto so forget it."
The sky is not falling. I say we stick with Calderon as is the common sentiment and see what value his play + expiring contract hold on the market at the trade deadline. Who knows.. maybe missing out on Captain Canada will allow us to draft Kabongo and pick up the next Captain Canada. Back to reality.. We're not ready for win now mode.. It will only cripple us.
Nash is still the man.. If he continues to hold out on his decision maybe we'll be spared from being the team that overpays for Dragic or Lin.. However we'll still have Fields.
The atlantic division looking pretty strong now a dayz
I've said It before if the raps are at the end of the lottery or make the playoffs with 8th seed we should try to get CJ McCollum. He could end up being our PG of the future not to mention he made Austin Rivers look like a chump during march madness.
I think Plan B should be to continue to stack assets and wait for your next opportunity to make a splash in a trade or free agency. Signing Landry Fields with or without Nash was a good move in that it's adding talent to a team sorely lacking it. Although I understand the move and applaud BC for having grapefruit sized nuts, I personally never thought we should've been going after Nash in the first place.
I'm fine with Calderon & Bayless running the point, and agree with another poster that we can trade calderon at the deadline and give Bayless another mini-audition. If that fails, I would look to next year's draft for our pg replacement because unless there is a stud available at SF, we are almost definitely drafting a 1.
I know I will catch some grief for this suggestion, but what about signing OJ Mayo to be our 1 for the future? If I remember correctly he always had a preference to play the 1. I personally haven't watched him in many games to know what his court vision is like or whether he could handle that position effectively. At worst, he would be Derozan's replacement and I value Mayo more as a 2 than I do Derozan.
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