View Poll Results: Which "plan" will/would have produced the best team?

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  • Plan A - Nash

    15 25.86%
  • Plan B - Lowry

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    i DID change it!
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    it'd be really cool if the raptors changed their unis so i could buy a Lowry joint
    @jerboat

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    i DID change it!
    lol. True enough. And we shall never forget our faux-hawked little friend!

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    they went to hard for someone "just poking a bush". if their deal was comparable to others then i would agree. but they made his sure he would be getting the absolute best deal financially had he chosen us.
    Not really, if the big bosses went to Colangelo and said we want Nash here, overpay him to get him here then he would offer to overpay him to get him here.

    MLSE saw Nash like the Knicks and Rockets see Lin. It's just a giant dollar sign attached to a player.
    12 mil a year is nothing for a guy that'll bring in 30 a year in revenue.

    Once again I have to say, ecstatic that we ended up with Lowry over Nash. If it backfires and Nash wins a title, Lowry fights with Casey and our pick turns out to be Wiggins I'll still stand by this deal. It was the right one to make for the team.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Once again I have to say, ecstatic that we ended up with Lowry over Nash. If it backfires and Nash wins a title, Lowry fights with Casey and our pick turns out to be Wiggins I'll still stand by this deal. It was the right one to make for the team.
    only downside i see to this compared to nash is if lowry leaves after 2 years. otherwise i also like it more than the nash for 3

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    Perfect scenario. We make the playoffs and draft Kabongo, we got 2 Pg's of the future

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    we traded for a guy hp shoots 40%? ***
    "the raptors were my fav team growing up"-kevin durant

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    Quote knickz wrote: View Post
    we traded for a guy hp shoots 40%? ***
    He can defend, pass, and score. He has constantly improved his game. He is on a reasonable contract. He was the best point guard available. He improves our team greatly and he will love being coached by D-Case.

    I do not understand what other option would have been better then this? Keeping Calderon as the soul point guard?

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    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    He can defend, pass, and score. He has constantly improved his game. He is on a reasonable contract. He was the best point guard available. He improves our team greatly and he will love being coached by D-Case.

    I do not understand what other option would have been better then this? Keeping Calderon as the soul point guard?
    I would only add or edit: he is on the best non-rookie deal in the league.

    There are a select number of posters who complain about everything - irregardless of facts or circumstances.

    *EDIT* To be fair, there are a select number of posters who praise everything - irregardless of facts or circumstances.

    Personally, I do not see how this move can be viewed negative. The Raptors just threw a pitbull in the mix with a bunch of cocker spaniels. In the words of Gregg Popovich: I want some NASTY.
    Last edited by mcHAPPY; Fri Jul 6th, 2012 at 06:49 AM.

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    Really like the Lowry trade...it also helps our three point shooting as well as making up for the Bargnani rebounding.
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    The biggest reason I support this trade is the fact that we just landed ourselves someone who can actually break his man down off the dribble & get into the teeth of the defense.

    Add in the fact that the guy is can guard, rebound, hit the 3 & pass = a well-rounded point guard that fits the new age mold.

    Not sure what happens after this. I doubt this is the last move BC has in mind. We'll see. But Lowry is pretty good to me.

    *My only concern, because I just have to, is the idea of Lowry being 26 & 6'0''. Smaller guard? He has a good 5 years of prime time, but I'm concerned that he will age rather ugly. He does rely on speed, being a smaller guard. Food for thought.
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    I would love to see the end results of both divergent paths.

    I wonder if we over estimate the "nash factor" for drawing in free agents and making us respectable. The suns werent really talked about that much all year other than at all star break when Nash got a lifetime achievement award (as chuck put it) all star bid and the end of the year when they were in that playoff hunt. Nash also left the suns with a no name roster. The only thing that was constantly mentioned is that he took a group of nobodies just short of the playoffs and he should leave and get a ring.

    In retrospect I was mad hyped. If this was when he signed last and he was younger and we had carter it would have made 10000x more sense.

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    Quote Pill wrote: View Post
    I would love to see the end results of both divergent paths.

    I wonder if we over estimate the "nash factor" for drawing in free agents and making us respectable. The suns werent really talked about that much all year other than at all star break when Nash got a lifetime achievement award (as chuck put it) all star bid and the end of the year when they were in that playoff hunt. Nash also left the suns with a no name roster. The only thing that was constantly mentioned is that he took a group of nobodies just short of the playoffs and he should leave and get a ring.

    In retrospect I was mad hyped. If this was when he signed last and he was younger and we had carter it would have made 10000x more sense.
    Probably.

    Making the playoffs with a young and improving team would certainly make the Raps more respectable in FA.

    Beyond the next 2 seasons, striking out on Nash might have been the best thing for the Raptors - sad to say.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Probably.

    Making the playoffs with a young and improving team would certainly make the Raps more respectable in FA.

    Beyond the next 2 seasons, striking out on Nash might have been the best thing for the Raptors - sad to say.
    Agreed. Winning trumps everything.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I would only add or edit: he is on the best non-rookie deal in the league.

    There are a select number of posters who complain about everything - irregardless of facts or circumstances.

    *EDIT* To be fair, there are a select number of posters who praise everything - irregardless of facts or circumstances.

    Personally, I do not see how this move can be viewed negative. The Raptors just threw a pitbull in the mix with a bunch of cocker spaniels. In the words of Gregg Popovich: I want some NASTY.
    And there are some people who use the word "irregardless", regardless if its a real word or not.

    But I agree, some people will complain irrespective of clear cut facts that indicate that the Lowry acquisition is superior to Nash.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    And there are some people who use the word "irregardless", regardless if its a real word or not.

    But I agree, some people will complain irrespective of clear cut facts that indicate that the Lowry acquisition is superior to Nash.

    Guilty as charged!

    ir·re·gard·less
       [ir-i-gahrd-lis] Show IPA
    adverb Nonstandard .
    regardless.

    Origin:
    1910–15; ir-2 (probably after irrespective ) + regardless

    Can be confused:  irregardless, regardless (see usage note at the current entry ).

    Usage note
    Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless
    Although in my defense, the spell check on my Mac did not put a red squiggle under like rumour.

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    Quote torch19 wrote: View Post

    *My only concern, because I just have to, is the idea of Lowry being 26 & 6'0''. Smaller guard? He has a good 5 years of prime time, but I'm concerned that he will age rather ugly. He does rely on speed, being a smaller guard. Food for thought.
    Part of the problem is players that rely on being explosive can be rendered irrelevant at the first sign of injury

    PERFECT CASE IN POINT.

    Derrick Rose - ACL tear - he will never be the same player and will have to work relentlessly in order to get anywhere close to where he was

    Iman Shumpert - ACL tear - defensive specialist, used his explosive speed to stay in front of people. Will need to play a lot smarter in order to keep his career going

    Ricky Rubio - ACL tear - will be just fine. He plays smart calculated low impact basketball. Pick N Roll...Pick N Pop...etc... He will get back into form MUCH quicker than the other two.

    PART 2 - players adding muscle to their frames can be detrimental.

    CASE IN POINT

    Anthony Davis has a very wide frame and could support a lot more muscle that he has.

    Larry Sanders has a very slight frame. Excess muscle will wear on his joints, and impact his long term career.

    Karl Malone had the perfect PF frame and was strong as an OX. Dennis Rodman could not have supported the bulk.

    Being 6ft Lowry should focus on strength and endurance. No need for him to get any bigger. Being a smaller guard he has the potential to play well into his thirties at a high level

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    I'm looking forward to seeing how this move effects Bargnani, Derozan and this team's apparent lack of defence. In the same way that Nash would have made some guys look a lot better on offence with his exceptional passing, I think Lowry has the potential to make guys look a lot better on defence.
    We're finally going to have a starting point guard who keeps his man in front of him. The defence wont break down as often, guys wont be swinging into bad situations to help as often, and our players will have the chance to guard their check man to man (didn't I read a study once that Bargnani is a great man to man defender??)

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    What I really like about this deal is we gave up so little, maybe less than we'd have given Phoenix to get Nash. Also, a far small investment. Still, I think Nash's attitude, experience and passing ability gives him the slight edge despite the cost.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Looking at the Raptors long-term, there is no doubt this is the better trade, assuming we're getting the cooler-headed Lowry and not the Latrell Sprewell wannabe version. Age wise he fits in with the core group of players and his defensive approach would seem to mesh well with DC.

    Player (age during next season):

    C - Valanciunas (20)
    PF - Bargnani (27)
    PF - Amir (25)
    PF - Davis (23)
    PF - Acy (22)
    SF - Fields (24)
    SF - Kleiza (27/28)
    SF - J.Johnson (25/26)
    SG - DeRozan (23)
    SG - Ross (21/22)
    PG - Lowry (26/27)
    PG - Calderon (31)
    PG - Bayless (24)
    PG - Uzoh (24/25)

    That is a young team. I hope BC has one more trade up his sleeve to acquire some veteran leadership. He certainly has the assets to pull off another move.
    You mean like a Grant Hill? ; )
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