Page 1 of 13 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 292

Thread: Raptors in discussion with 76ers for Igoudala (Thorn denies rumor (#163)

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Raptors Republic All-Star tucas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Hamilton
    Posts
    1,328
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Raptors in discussion with 76ers for Igoudala (Thorn denies rumor (#163)

    Feel free to merge this with another thread I couldn't find one though.

    The rumour going around now is that the raptors are in trade talks with the 76ers for Igoudala.
    The trade would send Calderon, DeMar Derozan, and Ed Davis for Andre Igoudala and Nikola Vuvejic.

    I have mixed feelings with this trade. I feel Demar has a lot of room to grow and shouldn't be the first to be traded for a guy in his prime who will soon decline. But at the same time we have Ross and likely fields and this would solve our largest problem and we'd get vuvejic another center. Assuming this was the last move this offseason our lineup would look like

    Lowry/Bayless(if resigned)
    Ross/Fields(or vice versa)
    Iggy/JJ/Kleiza
    Bargnani/Amir
    Valanciunas/Vuvejic

    This brings me to ask the question, if this happens aren't we almost just as weak at the sg spot as we are now at sf? I know Ross and fields will both get better but it just seems like its translating our problems to another position.

    Source:

    https://twitter.com/aarbron/status/220998302370508801

  2. #2
    Raptors Republic All-Star Red and White's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    T.O.
    Posts
    1,408
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I do not want us to go after iggy to be honest.

  3. #3
    Raptors Republic All-Star tucas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Hamilton
    Posts
    1,328
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Source: Sam Shipley nba writer for sportstalkphilly via twitter.@samshipley5: I can confirm the Raptors/Sixers trade rumor. Source says it is legit. Calderon/Derozan/Ed Davis for Dre/Vuc.

  4. #4
    Raptors Republic All-Star tucas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Hamilton
    Posts
    1,328
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    I do not want us to go after iggy to be honest.
    I'm not that high on him either. He's close to last on my starting sf's to get list.

  5. #5
    Raptors Republic Starter draftedraptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    603
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    This doesn't look bad.

    But I don' like iggy either. Rudy gay please.

  6. #6
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    This doesn't look bad.

    But I don' like iggy either. Rudy gay please.
    Gay is likely off the market now that Memphis let Mayo walk. The Raps also can't offer Memphis a 1st round pick now (thanks to the Lowry trade), so we have nothing really of value to offer Memphis. Philly needs a backup PG and backup PF and backup/starting SG, but Memphis doesn't have those same needs, so what Toronto is offering doesn't match up as well with them, even if Gay were still available.

  7. #7
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Ancaster, Ont (Via Serbia)
    Posts
    291
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    This doesn't look bad.

    But I don' like iggy either. Rudy gay please.
    Rudy has (IMO) 2nd worst contract (after J Johnson). What did Hawks get for Joe? There is a reason why.
    We CANNOT take on such a contract (unless it is a proven, solid all star. I am sorry but Gay is a very good player, but marginal all star IFF that).
    How far did Gay lead Memphis (much better rest of the team than us) to?
    Neither Iggy nor Gay is worth it.

  8. #8
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Mapko wrote: View Post
    Rudy has (IMO) 2nd worst contract (after J Johnson). What did Hawks get for Joe? There is a reason why.
    We CANNOT take on such a contract (unless it is a proven, solid all star. I am sorry but Gay is a very good player, but marginal all star IFF that).
    How far did Gay lead Memphis (much better rest of the team than us) to?
    Neither Iggy nor Gay is worth it.
    Gay would be an enormous upgrade over any of our current wings and he's only 25 (will be 26 next season). Yes his contract is big (average $17.9M over next 3 seasons), but it wouldn't be a horrible cap hit if Toronto sent out some substantial salary in return (ie: some combination of Calderon - $10.5M, Amir - $6M, DeRozan - 3.3M, JJ - $2.8M, Davis - $2.2M, Bayless - $4+M).

    It's not entirely fair to compare Gay to Joe Johnson.
    Gay: 26 years old next season, average $17.9M over next 3 seasons
    Johnson: 31 years old next season, average $22.3M over next 4 seasons
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Fri Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:36 PM.

  9. #9
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Ancaster, Ont (Via Serbia)
    Posts
    291
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Gay would be an enormous upgrade over any of our current wings and he's only 25 (will be 26 next season). Yes his contract is big (average $17.9M over next 3 seasons), but it wouldn't be a horrible cap hit if Toronto sent out some substantial salary in return (ie: some combination of Calderon - $10.5M, Amir - $6M, DeRozan - 3.3M, JJ - $2.8M, Davis - $2.2M, Bayless - $4+M).

    It's not entirely fair to compare Gay to Joe Johnson.
    Gay: 26 years old next season, average $17.9M over next 3 seasons
    Johnson: 31 years old next season, average $22.3M over next 4 seasons
    6 Players you mentioned above (Jose, DD, JJ, Ed, Amir & Bayless) COMBINED make less than $54 mil coming to Gay.
    1 or 2 or even 3 of those guys might be spare parts -but you need to replace (and pay) the rest.
    Still think it makes sense?
    Don't get me wrong. Rudy is a clear upgrade at SF, but $18 mil annually simply makes no sense (and yes it is fair to compare Gay to JJ: JJ might be older but he still contributes and is an all star).
    Second comparison: Compare above 6 guys to players Nets sent to Hawks -You don't think they are not worth $4.4 mil (diff between Gay's & JJ's salary)?
    Last edited by Mapko; Fri Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:50 PM.

  10. #10
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Mapko wrote: View Post
    6 guys you mentioned above (Jose, DD, JJ, Ed, Amir & Bayless) COMBINED make less than 54 mil coming to Gay.
    1 or 2 or even 3 of those guys might be spare parts -but you need to replace (and pay) the rest.
    Still think it makes sense?
    Don't get me wrong. Rudy is a clear upgrade at SF, but 18 mil annually simply makes no sense (and yes it is fair to compare Gay to JJ: JJ might be older but he still contributes and is an all star).
    Yes, I think Gay is absolutely worth it. Assuming Calderon isn't part of the team moving forward, the only big cap-hits Toronto has are (next season numbers):

    Bargnani - $10.0M
    Fields - $6.2M
    Amir - $6.05M
    Lowry - $5.75M
    Kleiza - $4.6M

    Toronto would have the cap room to afford Rudy Gay, so I don't really care how much he costs - I'm not paying him. Is he perhaps a few million overpaid? Probably. But he is young and would be a part of the Raptors' young core group of players for the next 5-8 years.

    A Toronto wing rotation of Gay/Kleiza at SF and Fields/Ross at SG would be fantastic. DeRozan and JJ wouldn't be the least bit missed.

    And remember, DeRozan and JJ both expire after next season, meaning they'd both be in line for big paydays. DD's qualifying offer is a little over $4.5M and JJ's is a little over $3.95M. Davis' contract also expires after next season, but the Raptors have 1 more option year ($3.15M) and then after two seasons his qualifying offer is a little over $4.36M. That is 3 big paydays for the young/cheap players that many seem reluctant to trade for a proven borderline all-star like Rudy Gay, so those 3 big paydays need to be factored into any financial comparison as well.

    I understand reluctance to go after Iggy or Deng, given their age, injury history and contract size. However, I think Gay is one SF that is a no brainer to go after, offering up Calderon & DeRozan & Davis & JJ.

  11. #11
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Well I assumed they were obvious trading partners (and made a few posts today targeting such a trade), but hoped Toronto would only have to give up a selection of Amir, Davis, JJ, Calderon and Bayless. I also figured that Philly would want a future 1st round pick, in addition to a handful of backups, so perhaps DeRozan is now being included in place of a 1st round pick (since the Raps can't trade a 2013 or 2014 1st round pick, thanks to the Lowry trade).

    I knew one of Davis/Amir would be traded this offseason (preference would be for it to be Amir) and one/both Calderon/Bayless would be traded (preference would be for it to be Bayless). Iggy would also make a wing player expendable - JJ, Kleiza or DeRozan (Ross was just drafted and Fields can't be traded yet) - my preference would have been to see JJ traded, but understand that Philly would want at least 1 starter caliber player in return, especially in lieu of getting a 1st round pick. Ross, Fields and Iggy on the wings make DD expendable (plus DD is in line for a big raise after next season, which Toronto would now avoid).

    I don't mind this trade at all, but hope another backup PG will be found, because I do not want it to be Bayless!

  12. #12
    Raptors Republic Veteran LBF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Hamilton,ON a.k.a. The Hammer!
    Posts
    5,323
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    rudy gay is going to cost asset wise twice as much.
    If Your Uncle Jack Helped You Off An Elephant, Would You Help Your Uncle Jack Off An Elephant?

    Sometimes, I like to buy a book on CD and listen to it, while reading music.

  13. #13
    Super Moderator ReubenJRD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Vancouver, BC.
    Posts
    4,052
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.

  14. #14
    Raptors Republic Starter draftedraptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    603
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.
    +1

    There is no way I am giving up on him on his current contract till Casey had enough time to work with him.

  15. #15
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.

  16. #16
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,185
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.
    I did read that Philly was looking at moving Holiday to SG and pursuing a PG. Don't remember where I read that.

  17. #17
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,285
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I did read that Philly was looking at moving Holiday to SG and pursuing a PG. Don't remember where I read that.
    I assume this deal would change their minds.

    PF - Brand, Davis, Moultrie
    SF - Young, Harkless
    SG - DeRozan, Evans
    PG - Holiday, Calderon

    Unless they start DeRozan at SF and go with DD/Evans/Holiday

  18. #18
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,185
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I assume this deal would change their minds.

    PF - Brand, Davis, Moultrie
    SF - Young, Harkless
    SG - DeRozan, Evans
    PG - Holiday, Calderon

    Unless they start DeRozan at SF and go with DD/Evans/Holiday
    I would be surprised if Brand is back but I've been wrong before. I see this:

    PG: Calderon
    SG: Holiday, DD
    SF: Evans, Young, Harkless
    PF: Brand, Davis, Moultrie


    I think Harkless is a project, Young remains 6th man, and DD becomes Lou off the bench.

  19. #19
    Super Moderator ReubenJRD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Vancouver, BC.
    Posts
    4,052
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.
    If so, no to Iguodala. BC is very capable of pulling this off, but since we'd have to give up on Derozan, who many people believed he will be better than Iguodala when he was first drafted, I don't wanna have him. Like many have said already, Iguodala will soon be on the decline, anyways, JJ is a poor-mans Iguodala, so what's the point? JJ is younger as well.

  20. #20
    Raptors Republic Starter draftedraptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    603
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star.
    How about Magloire as our legit all-star? Screw this trade and stick with our young talent. Demar is someone we have spent time developing and I don't want to give up on him just yet.

    Again, I don't think this is bad trade at all. I like Iggy but somehow this trade reminds me of Turk saga.

Page 1 of 13 1 2 3 11 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •