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    Default Raptors in discussion with 76ers for Igoudala (Thorn denies rumor (#163)

    Feel free to merge this with another thread I couldn't find one though.

    The rumour going around now is that the raptors are in trade talks with the 76ers for Igoudala.
    The trade would send Calderon, DeMar Derozan, and Ed Davis for Andre Igoudala and Nikola Vuvejic.

    I have mixed feelings with this trade. I feel Demar has a lot of room to grow and shouldn't be the first to be traded for a guy in his prime who will soon decline. But at the same time we have Ross and likely fields and this would solve our largest problem and we'd get vuvejic another center. Assuming this was the last move this offseason our lineup would look like

    Lowry/Bayless(if resigned)
    Ross/Fields(or vice versa)
    Iggy/JJ/Kleiza
    Bargnani/Amir
    Valanciunas/Vuvejic

    This brings me to ask the question, if this happens aren't we almost just as weak at the sg spot as we are now at sf? I know Ross and fields will both get better but it just seems like its translating our problems to another position.

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    https://twitter.com/aarbron/status/220998302370508801

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    I do not want us to go after iggy to be honest.

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    Source: Sam Shipley nba writer for sportstalkphilly via twitter.@samshipley5: I can confirm the Raptors/Sixers trade rumor. Source says it is legit. Calderon/Derozan/Ed Davis for Dre/Vuc.

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    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    I do not want us to go after iggy to be honest.
    I'm not that high on him either. He's close to last on my starting sf's to get list.

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    This doesn't look bad.

    But I don' like iggy either. Rudy gay please.

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    Well I assumed they were obvious trading partners (and made a few posts today targeting such a trade), but hoped Toronto would only have to give up a selection of Amir, Davis, JJ, Calderon and Bayless. I also figured that Philly would want a future 1st round pick, in addition to a handful of backups, so perhaps DeRozan is now being included in place of a 1st round pick (since the Raps can't trade a 2013 or 2014 1st round pick, thanks to the Lowry trade).

    I knew one of Davis/Amir would be traded this offseason (preference would be for it to be Amir) and one/both Calderon/Bayless would be traded (preference would be for it to be Bayless). Iggy would also make a wing player expendable - JJ, Kleiza or DeRozan (Ross was just drafted and Fields can't be traded yet) - my preference would have been to see JJ traded, but understand that Philly would want at least 1 starter caliber player in return, especially in lieu of getting a 1st round pick. Ross, Fields and Iggy on the wings make DD expendable (plus DD is in line for a big raise after next season, which Toronto would now avoid).

    I don't mind this trade at all, but hope another backup PG will be found, because I do not want it to be Bayless!

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    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    This doesn't look bad.

    But I don' like iggy either. Rudy gay please.
    Gay is likely off the market now that Memphis let Mayo walk. The Raps also can't offer Memphis a 1st round pick now (thanks to the Lowry trade), so we have nothing really of value to offer Memphis. Philly needs a backup PG and backup PF and backup/starting SG, but Memphis doesn't have those same needs, so what Toronto is offering doesn't match up as well with them, even if Gay were still available.

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    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post

    I don't mind this trade at all, but hope another backup PG will be found, because I do not want it to be Bayless!
    I heard they're going for Flynn or bayless, whoever turns out cheaper

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    rudy gay is going to cost asset wise twice as much.
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    I really want to see the Lowry, Demar, Fields, Bargnani, JV lineup in action. I think Demar could thrive with a lineup like that. He is also going to improve tons on defense this year (with Casey giving him a full training camp and more practice time). It would be a shame to see Demar go (but I know tons of people feel differently). I like the core we have now, and if Lowry stays, think about how great it could be in 3 or 4 years. Is Iggy worth that?

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.
    +1

    There is no way I am giving up on him on his current contract till Casey had enough time to work with him.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    If we can sub in JJ + Ed + Calderon + Bayless? For Iggy and Vuvejic? I don't wan't anything to do with trading Demar Derozan, too much upside.
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.

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    I'm skeptical on this until my twitter feed blows up - again.

    At first look, I like it but that is due to my frustrations with DD - that throwing the basketball the length of the court move still really irks me, oh yeah, and elements of game too.


    On the plus side:
    AI can do all the things we've always wish DD could do: rebound, defend, shoot, create, pass.

    On the down side:
    DD is younger, cheaper, AI is VERY expensive, DD might actually break out.

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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    I heard they're going for Flynn or bayless, whoever turns out cheaper
    Flynn is who I was hoping for. I would love to see Bayless and JJ packed in a trade for a 1st round pick, or a couple 2nd round picks, after this deal.

    C: Valanciunas, Vucevic, Gray/Magloire
    PF: Bargnani, Amir, Acy
    SF: Iggy, Kleiza
    SG: Fields, Ross
    PG: Lowry, Flynn, Uzoh

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.
    I did read that Philly was looking at moving Holiday to SG and pursuing a PG. Don't remember where I read that.

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    Do the damn trade, we need to get all the losers out of town. When I mean losers I mean players who have been functioning in a loser culture and not adjusting well with the new coach.

    Calderon, DeMar, JJ, Davis all of them for Iggy and Vucecic do the damn deal BC.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Philly doesn't need 2 backup PG (behind Holiday) and they don't need JJ for SF (they have Young and Harkless).

    DeRozan is tough to giveup, but he is easily expendable now after the draft (Ross), signing Fields and now trading for Iggy. They'd still even have Kleiza and JJ, so one would think another player would likely wind up being dealt away.

    Plus you have to giveup something of real value to get a legit all-star. Davis and Calderon are basically backups at this point, so I think it is fair (hard yes, but fair) to include DeRozan.
    If so, no to Iguodala. BC is very capable of pulling this off, but since we'd have to give up on Derozan, who many people believed he will be better than Iguodala when he was first drafted, I don't wanna have him. Like many have said already, Iguodala will soon be on the decline, anyways, JJ is a poor-mans Iguodala, so what's the point? JJ is younger as well.

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    Do the damn trade, we need to get all the losers out of town. When I mean losers I mean players who have been functioning in a loser culture and not adjusting well with the new coach.

    Calderon, DeMar, JJ, Davis all of them for Iggy and Vucecic do the damn deal BC.
    Demar has too much upside, and Calderon had one of his best seasons as a raptor with Casey...

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I did read that Philly was looking at moving Holiday to SG and pursuing a PG. Don't remember where I read that.
    Isn't holiday asking for a max contract? Can they even afford to keep him? Maybe getting calderon is finding a replacement for him.

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