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    Default Wolstat: JJ not likely to return

    Surprised no one caught this tweet. On iPhone so someone else can find the tweet for me. From last night I believe.

    Sign and trade for Rush or trade for Wright in GS would be fine with me. Much prefer Rush.

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    Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun
    I don't have specifics on why James Johnson will be gone, just that it would be a major surprise if he is a Raptor next season.
    Very interesting. I really like JJ, hope we get some value for him.

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    Bayless and JJ gone... that alone makes this a happy offseason for me! hehe

    The acquisition of Rush or Wright would be good, but would make me wonder if another deal is in the works, given the depth we'd have on the wings. We already have Kleiza, JJ, DeRozan, Fields and Ross. Barring any additional trades, I assume Fields & DeRozan would be starting.

    The only way I could see this working is if either Amir/Davis is traded. That way the primary 2nd unit would be Amir/Davis, Kleiza, Ross/Wright, Rush/Ross, Calderon. Gray would be available to matchup against opponents' traditional backup C when needed.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Bayless and JJ gone... that alone makes this a happy offseason for me! hehe
    Mind if I ask for a bit of clarification on this?

    For me, these are two guys who left EVERYTHING out on the floor and gave 120% everynight, no matter what.

    I'm actually quite the opposite. If both these guys are gone, I would be more than a little upset.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Mind if I ask for a bit of clarification on this?

    For me, these are two guys who left EVERYTHING out on the floor and gave 120% everynight, no matter what.

    I'm actually quite the opposite. If both these guys are gone, I would be more than a little upset.
    same here. i actually consider both of them as part of the core, since both were very important contributors last season. id rather give up calderon and kleiza than jj and bayless, but thats just me.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Mind if I ask for a bit of clarification on this?

    For me, these are two guys who left EVERYTHING out on the floor and gave 120% everynight, no matter what.

    I'm actually quite the opposite. If both these guys are gone, I would be more than a little upset.
    Just personal preference.

    Whether it was Ford, Jack or Bayless, I can't stand watching team "run" by a "me first" style PG. I much prefer traditional pass first PG, who look to get the entire team involved and make each player on the court with him better. I find Bayless to be too focussed on getting his own, especially when matched up against a high quality PG, when he seemed to want to challenge him throughout the game, making it more of a two-man show, as opposed to actually managing his team. I also don't like the way he clearly gives much less effort when he's not starting, seeming to mope and feel entitled to be a starter, because he's clearly an all-star in his own head. If he wants to start, he should earn it through his play, but he seems to go about things the exact opposite; give half effort when not starting, then give 100% only when he is starting.

    As for JJ, I think he became overrated by most fans his first year with the team, when he was about the only player who put forth any semblence of effort, thus becoming the best defender on a team allergic to defense. I think he gambles too much for steals and blocks, often leaving his man or missing rotations. He thinks he's much better offensively than he is and is far too inconsistent making open shots from outside, which is what his job is supposed to be.

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    Default Will anyone ever know what the incident was?

    I'm impartial to whether or not JJ is a Raptor next season. He has promise, but it's not like he couldn't be replaced. And while I'm no drama queen, I'm much more interested as to what happened last season that landed him in the proverbial "dog house".

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    . I think he gambles too much for steals and blocks, often leaving his man or missing rotations. He thinks he's much better offensively than he is and is far too inconsistent making open shots from outside, which is what his job is supposed to be.
    I never thought his job was to hit outside shots, although he did have a better 3pt% than Demar and Andrea. JJ's job was to defend and rebound, which he did very well.

    http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/sh...-Q-amp-A/page3

    he also had the best drtg, steal % and blk % on the team. He was also the best non-big rebounder on the team. (And the best non-PG passer on the team in both ast% and assist to turnover ratio)

    If he gambled alot, which I didn't see, he sure did a good job recovering and posting the best defensive numbers on the team

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I think he gambles too much for steals and blocks, often leaving his man or missing rotations. He thinks he's much better offensively than he is and is far too inconsistent making open shots from outside, which is what his job is supposed to be.
    He absolutely does gamble too much, but he can and should be taught to tone that down a bit. You don't want to take away his weak side help, because he is absolutely great at that. You just want to teach him that there's a time and a place. As for the shooting, he began the season with one of the worst shooting forms I have ever seen in all my years in the game, and ended it with only poor form, so quite the improvement. Since no other Rap took it to the hoop and finished with authority, he took it upon himself to do so. Too much? Yeah. But SOMEBODY needed to, so he took it upon himself. As this team gets better and he no longer feels the need to do too much, he will become a very effective backup three in this league. We should NOT be letting him go, unless we get good value in return.

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    Quote LeeZ wrote: View Post
    He absolutely does gamble too much, but he can and should be taught to tone that down a bit. You don't want to take away his weak side help, because he is absolutely great at that. You just want to teach him that there's a time and a place. As for the shooting, he began the season with one of the worst shooting forms I have ever seen in all my years in the game, and ended it with only poor form, so quite the improvement. Since no other Rap took it to the hoop and finished with authority, he took it upon himself to do so. Too much? Yeah. But SOMEBODY needed to, so he took it upon himself. As this team gets better and he no longer feels the need to do too much, he will become a very effective backup three in this league. We should NOT be letting him go, unless we get good value in return.
    Oh don't get me wrong, I wouldn't just give him away either. However, I'd rank him behind DeRozan, Ross, Fields and Kleiza on the Raptors wing depth chart, so he's expendable, especially if another veteran and/or sharpshooting wing is acquired.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Just personal preference.

    Whether it was Ford, Jack or Bayless, I can't stand watching team "run" by a "me first" style PG. I much prefer traditional pass first PG, who look to get the entire team involved and make each player on the court with him better. I find Bayless to be too focussed on getting his own, especially when matched up against a high quality PG, when he seemed to want to challenge him throughout the game, making it more of a two-man show, as opposed to actually managing his team. I also don't like the way he clearly gives much less effort when he's not starting, seeming to mope and feel entitled to be a starter, because he's clearly an all-star in his own head. If he wants to start, he should earn it through his play, but he seems to go about things the exact opposite; give half effort when not starting, then give 100% only when he is starting.

    As for JJ, I think he became overrated by most fans his first year with the team, when he was about the only player who put forth any semblence of effort, thus becoming the best defender on a team allergic to defense. I think he gambles too much for steals and blocks, often leaving his man or missing rotations. He thinks he's much better offensively than he is and is far too inconsistent making open shots from outside, which is what his job is supposed to be.
    Ford wasn't really as "me first" as people say, he just liked taking charge and its better that way because we had no clutch players at the time. He was the reason we made the playoffs that season. I don't want to sound like a douche but Jose hasn't taken us anywhere since he was put as the starting PG. I love jose but off the bench is where he fits on this team. The strong, fast, scoring, and defensive PG's are what this league consist of now, which is why we got K Low. I can almost guarantee you that the raptors will make the playoffs this season with Lowry starting because he is a major upgrade at that position. Plus with the infusion of talent we're getting this summer, this team is just waiting to explode like a freakin nuclear bomb.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Ford wasn't really as "me first" as people say, he just liked taking charge and its better that way because we had no clutch players at the time. He was the reason we made the playoffs that season. I don't want to sound like a douche but Jose hasn't taken us anywhere since he was put as the starting PG. I love jose but off the bench is where he fits on this team. The strong, fast, scoring, and defensive PG's are what this league consist of now, which is why we got K Low. I can almost guarantee you that the raptors will make the playoffs this season with Lowry starting because he is a major upgrade at that position. Plus with the infusion of talent we're getting this summer, this team is just waiting to explode like a freakin nuclear bomb.
    i second your feelings on ford and wish he didnt have a bad spine. he was a good pg

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    As for JJ, I think he became overrated by most fans his first year with the team, when he was about the only player who put forth any semblence of effort, thus becoming the best defender on a team allergic to defense. I think he gambles too much for steals and blocks, often leaving his man or missing rotations. He thinks he's much better offensively than he is and is far too inconsistent making open shots from outside, which is what his job is supposed to be.
    I agree; personally I don't think JJ is that good on defense, his stats (steals and blocks) are misleading and in fact inflated by playing bad (too much gambling) defense. I don't think he should qualify as our best perimeter defender. Now, if he would gamble less he might be. At the moment he is also too much of a liability on offense.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Mind if I ask for a bit of clarification on this?

    For me, these are two guys who left EVERYTHING out on the floor and gave 120% everynight, no matter what.

    I'm actually quite the opposite. If both these guys are gone, I would be more than a little upset.
    I agree with you 100% joey. Bayless produced at an ELITE level whenever he had a chance to start, he has been referred to defensively by dwayne casey as: "Our best on the ball defender" and he shot 42% from the 3 pt line last year, which was a huge weakness for our team last year. James johnson became the first raptor to EVER lead the team in both steals and blocks, his shooting improved as the season went on and he is a stat stuffer.

    How people can be so happy that these guys will not be returning is beyond me.

    I've said this before and I will say it again, sometimes I think we need to change the name of this website to "HatersRepublic".

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    I agree with you 100% joey. Bayless produced at an ELITE level whenever he had a chance to start, he has been referred to defensively by dwayne casey as: "Our best on the ball defender" and he shot 42% from the 3 pt line last year, which was a huge weakness for our team last year. James johnson became the first raptor to EVER lead the team in both steals and blocks, his shooting improved as the season went on and he is a stat stuffer.

    How people can be so happy that these guys will not be returning is beyond me.

    I've said this before and I will say it again, sometimes I think we need to change the name of this website to "HatersRepublic".
    Well ... we probably can't keep everyone if we want to improve and some people have a different opinion about who is any good and who isn't and there have been given valid reasons for it as well; this doesn't have a lot to do with hating.

    Sidenote, last time you refered to 'HatersRepublic' it was because of your own opinion about Bosh winning a championship, not because of other posters hating on players on the team.

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    Do I want Bosh to win the championship? Well I guess we should change the name of this site to "HatersRepublic" because I don't want him to, I dont know why, I just want to see the heat lose this year, trade bosh next year, and win then, so Bosh can never win a championship. Is that mean?

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    Lol, that wasn't the first time I had made a reference to hatersrepublic, but its nice to see someone was paying attention lol.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Bayless and JJ gone... that alone makes this a happy offseason for me!
    so what did Colangelo get for Bosh then...?


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    James Johnson is our best perimeter defender who can also hold his own in the 4 spot. I don't get this speculation. I hope it's not true.

    We're already losing Bayless, not James Johnson too ...
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    Well he's still under contract so...this might guarantee that another deal is on the way. Perhaps a package with Calderon?

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    Hmmm, this is still pure speculation though. Nothing concrete. Rush is more difficult to get here than Wright as GState is really high on him.
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    I still wonder if something bigger might happen and JJ is part of that. Really though, I think many of us wondered if he would be back after the little incident during the season. I don't think he's a real "problem" type of player, but maybe he is high maintenance or something.

    I don't care who else we get unless it's a real upgrade. Rush, Wright...whatever, someone else who will likely be inconsistent, just in different ways than JJ.

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