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Matt52 wrote: View PostHypothetically speaking, lets say the Raps get Fields and s&t for Batum and it has DD going out, would you rather wings to be?
1) DD/Fields
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2) Fields/Batum
I know what I'd pick and the selection features 2 brand new Raptors.
It might come down to just how high a salary Batum demands. We also have to remember that DeRozan will be looking for a big payday next offseason, so we have to keep that in mind when comparing salaries given to guys like Fields/Batum/Mayo and what DeRozan might seek.
I'd also look at the team's wing breakdown, not just SG. Ideally we'd get a penetrator and an outside shooter on both the starting and 2nd units. Fields and DD seem to be a little redundant (penetrators), while Batum would join Ross as an outside shooter. Kleiza is a little different, in that he is an outside shooter who can also post-up (or play PF in a smaller 2nd unit lineup). I'd like the balance that Batum/Fields would provide the starting unit.
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tucas wrote: View PostBut if they wanted to do a sign and trade wouldn't batum have a say in where he would want to go? If he didnt want to come to the raptors couldnt he just sign Minny's offer sheet and shut down everything? I just don't see it happening
-Toronto tells portland they will do a sign and trade for Batum (toronto likely has a better s&t offer then minni)
-portland tells batum''s agent " either we are going to match minnisota's offer sheet ORRRR Toronto has a much better off that we would accerpt if u did a sign and trade to toronto.
Batum's options would ten be .. Sign and trade to toronto or stay in portland.
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this clearly won't happen. For a sign and trade to happen Batum would first need to think about signing with Toronto. He has clearly stated he wants to play for Minny and this has been emphasized by him signing with Minny (Has he in fact signed the offer sheet yet?) it would be a different story had batum visited Toronto and Toronto offered Batum a contract.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostHypothetically speaking, lets say the Raps get Fields and s&t for Batum and it has DD going out, would you rather wings to be?
1) DD/Fields
or
2) Fields/Batum
I know what I'd pick and the selection features 2 brand new Raptors.
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DaveKim wrote: View Postthis clearly won't happen. For a sign and trade to happen Batum would first need to think about signing with Toronto. He has clearly stated he wants to play for Minny and this has been emphasized by him signing with Minny (Has he in fact signed the offer sheet yet?) it would be a different story had batum visited Toronto and Toronto offered Batum a contract.
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DaveKim wrote: View Postthis clearly won't happen. For a sign and trade to happen Batum would first need to think about signing with Toronto. He has clearly stated he wants to play for Minny and this has been emphasized by him signing with Minny (Has he in fact signed the offer sheet yet?) it would be a different story had batum visited Toronto and Toronto offered Batum a contract.
Minny would need to amnesty Milicic and cut Webster & Miller, which would all be quite costly and would seem to be a waste of assets. Minny is worried that if they do that and Portland matches, they will not only lose out on Batum, but will also lose 3 assets and be out a boatload of money.
Portland seems happy to wait, hoping to use their cap space to lure other players, while maintaining full rights on Batum (his salary will defintely wind up being more than the value of his cap-hold, which is only $5.4M).
If Batum is unhappy by the non-committal approach by both Minny and Portland, he could very well decide to accept an offer from antoher team (Toronto or otherwise) that is eager to step up and commit immediately.
I also seem to recall rumors the past two seasons about Portland being interested in both Calderon and DeRozan at various times, though I have no way of knowing if they're still interested (or if Toronto would be willing to deal one/both of them for Batum). Just like the persistent Iggy rumors out of Philly, there would at least seem to be some logical personnel fits between Toronto and Portland, just like there could be between Tor/Phi.Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:15 PM.
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Walnut wrote: View PostI would MUCH rather have a young promising player in Batum than the overrated Iggy.Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY
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WJF wrote: View PostWhat makes him over-rated, the guy is very good. He may be older than Batum, but he is a solid defender, great passer from the 3 spot, can score in multiple ways and has been quite durable over his career. While he is not Durant or LEbron at the 3, he is in the top of the small forward list in the NBA.
Although I can see where this idea of "overrated" would come from based on Iggy's contract.
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tenforthewin wrote: View PostKeep Jose, i would give them Ed Davis + James Johnson + 2014 pick for Batum + Elliot Williams (3rd string shooter)
You have to consider the other teams' needs when putting together a trade. Would you make that trade if you were Portland's GM?
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Well if Portland has been told that Batum does not want anything to do with them, you cut your loses & take the best deal available. Another question; do the Raptors still have the TPE from Barbosa?
I'm just wondering. Say the Knicks do not match the offer for Landry Fields, I do not see us pulling a S&T with Portland unless Jose or Amir would be involved.“I don’t create controversies. They’re there long before I open my mouth. I just bring them to your attention.”
-- Charles Barkley
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torch19 wrote: View PostWell if Portland has been told that Batum does not want anything to do with them, you cut your loses & take the best deal available. Another question; do the Raptors still have the TPE from Barbosa?
I'm just wondering. Say the Knicks do not match the offer for Landry Fields, I do not see us pulling a S&T with Portland unless Jose or Amir would be involved.
If they were to work a deal with the NYK to acquire him via a S&T, then Toronto would be able to keep both the TPE and MLE (unless salary was sent back to NYK, Toronto would have to renounce all their cap-holds; Gray is the only one of relevance at this point and he could still sign with Toronto as an UFA if he's renounced, I believe).
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