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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Do you think Atlanta would still be interested in Calderon after picking up Devin Harris, Lou Williams and Jordan Farmar, while still having Teague on their roster?

    I was initially thinking Indy, but if they're intent on playing Hill at PG, then they probably don't have much need for Calderon after signing Augustin. If they wanted to move Hill to SG and George to SF, then perhaps Granger becomes available for a package including Calderon...
    Ha, ha clearly I need to get caught up. I wasn't busy during the boring month leading up the the draft but since then I've be out of the loop.

    Augustin is a one year deal. Hill is used to coming off the bench and I feel he's better suited to that. Calderon would be the perfect quarterback for that exciting team in my opinion.

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    In my opinion, the best hope Toronto has of addressing a need via a trade of Calderon is based on four very large IF'S:

    1) if Minnesota does not offer the sheet to Batum,
    2) if Portland comes to the conclusion at this point it is best to part ways,
    3) if Batum actually wants to play in Toronto, and
    4) if the Blazers feel Lillard could use a year of getting broke in softly.

    So in a nutshell: the only hope I see of Toronto getting anything of real value is through Portland..... although then there is likely an overpaid contract coming back in Batum (please recognize the four if's before roasting me).

    Dallas is another interesting proposition (Roddy? Rights to Calathes?) but it would be interesting to see how much cap room they have left when it is all said and done with their amnesty purchases.
    I would certainly jump at Portland (& Batum), but I believe we may have to "sweeten the pot".
    Dallas is very intriguing. As it is, Dallas is lottery bound. I can't see that being a good selling point next year to possibly Howard & Paul: "Come to Dallas & its commitment to winning".
    I can't see BC "just dumping" Jose's contract for TPE.
    I still think he is eyeballing Deng or Iggy & simply playing hardball with Philli & Bulls (With Hinrich, Bulls seem less likely now).
    Would Sacramento be interested in pass first PG? Jose & DD for Evans & 1st? Too optimistic?
    There is always plan B: Trade deadline. An expiring deal has some value.

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    Another possibility here is Orlando.

    If the Houston/Orlando trade happens.. Orlando will have Nelson as their primary PG, and he's more of a combo-guard in my opinion. I heard that Houston will be sending a series of draft picks back to Orlando (and possibly the one we gave them for Lowry). That trade would have to wait until the Lin/Asik offer sheets have come off the books so it can take about a week.. but I think we could get involved in that with a 3-way trade and possibly get our Lowry draft pick back from Houston.

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    I think we're forgetting about Jose pretty much saying "It's TJ or me" prior to Jose signing his current contract. He wanted to be a starter and so now, here we go again; this time he's not waiting for fee agency. Another athletic PG is added to the mix. One who has also complained about not starting in the past. You have two PG's with the same strong desire to lead and only one can do it in the prominent role. Calderon won't change his mind on this. He's still good enough to earn a starting role on half the teams in the league.
    If there are 15 GM's who think Jose Calderone could start over their present starter then the Raptors should be expecting something very good back in a trade.

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    Quote Mapko wrote: View Post
    I would certainly jump at Portland (& Batum), but I believe we may have to "sweeten the pot".
    Dallas is very intriguing. As it is, Dallas is lottery bound. I can't see that being a good selling point next year to possibly Howard & Paul: "Come to Dallas & its commitment to winning".
    I can't see BC "just dumping" Jose's contract for TPE.
    I still think he is eyeballing Deng or Iggy & simply playing hardball with Philli & Bulls (With Hinrich, Bulls seem less likely now).
    Would Sacramento be interested in pass first PG? Jose & DD for Evans & 1st? Too optimistic?
    There is always plan B: Trade deadline. An expiring deal has some value.
    One year removed from a championship?

    With a healthy Kaman, pickup of Collison and Jones, amnesty pickup of Brand and/or Scola, Marion still with gas left in the tank, an in shape Dirk, and 3 months to training camp, I think they are going to be alright.

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    Atlanta would be a place that would make a lot of sense for Jose. So would Indiana.

    I'm not sure what I would be looking for from those teams. If ATL is looking to make a play for D12 they might consider moving Smith for less than you think to free up space. I wonder if Jose plus DeMar and a future unprotected 1st rounder would do the trick? Of course a contract extension would have to be reached prior to the trade.
    The Raps can't offer a 1st round pick in any trade due to the restrictions with Houston.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The Raps can't offer a 1st round pick in any trade due to the restrictions with Houston.
    Technically they can offer their 2015 pick. Can't offer 2013 (since it might go to Houston) and 2014 (since you can't send 2 picks in consecutive years).

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Technically they can offer their 2015 pick. Can't offer 2013 (since it might go to Houston) and 2014 (since you can't send 2 picks in consecutive years).
    I'm not sure if they can offer any outright pick until 2020, which they couldn't offer until next year, since you I think teams can only trade picks up to 7 years in advance. What I was wondering is if they could trade another conditional 1st round pick, which is conditional on the conditions of the pick going to Houston - ie: whenever Houston gets the pick from Toronto, Team X will get a 1st round pick 2 years from that year (if Houston gets 2016 pick, Team X gets 2018 pick).

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Technically they can offer their 2015 pick. Can't offer 2013 (since it might go to Houston) and 2014 (since you can't send 2 picks in consecutive years).
    The restrictions with Houston go out 5 years and unprotected in year 6.

    The only way they can trade a 1st round pick is if the trade is made on draft day and it is known the Raptors will have a 1st round pick. The Raptors will actually have to make the selection and then trade it.

    The next 6 years of Raptor draft picks are on ice. They can't even make a trade with a 15-30 stipulation because say it goes lottery in 2014 and then they could make the playoffs in 2015 and would violate league rules of no 1st round pick trade in 2 consecutive seasons.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The restrictions with Houston go out 5 years and unprotected in year 6.

    The only way they can trade a 1st round pick is if the trade is made on draft day and it is known the Raptors will have a 1st round pick. The Raptors will actually have to make the selection and then trade it.

    The next 6 years of Raptor draft picks are on ice. They can't even make a trade with a 15-30 stipulation because say it goes lottery in 2014 and then they could make the playoffs in 2015 and would violate league rules of no 1st round pick trade in 2 consecutive seasons.
    Okay right.. forgot about that aspect of the pick. Thanks.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The Raps can't offer a 1st round pick in any trade due to the restrictions with Houston.
    The pick to Houston is lotto protected so are you so sure?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The pick to Houston is lotto protected so are you so sure?
    Pretty sure:

    They can't even make a trade with a 15-30 stipulation because say it goes lottery in 2014 and then they could make the playoffs in 2015 and would violate league rules of no 1st round pick trade in 2 consecutive seasons.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    I hope cooler heads prevail and that the Raptors offer Jose a $16-18M 4-year extension when teams can extend players.
    Agreed. And I see no point in moving him for a TPE. Let's hang onto him, and sooth his ego. As others have stated, he will make a remarkable difference to our second unit. And he's only overpaid this year; doesn't have to be thereafter.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The pick to Houston is lotto protected so are you so sure?
    Seems to me they could offer a lottery protected pick. That might be the most convoluted draft pick in history:

    Top 3/2/1 (depends on year) -> TOR
    Other lottery -> HOU
    Outside Lottery -> Other team

    EDIT: Matt just debunked this. Why is it you can't trade 2 consecutive picks?

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    Seems to me they could offer a lottery protected pick. That might be the most convoluted draft pick in history:

    Top 3/2/1 (depends on year) -> TOR
    Other lottery -> HOU
    Outside Lottery -> Other team

    EDIT: Matt just debunked this. Why is it you can't trade 2 consecutive picks?
    Just an NBA rule that you can't trade 1st round picks in consecutive years. You could make your pick in the draft and then trade it a year before/after you traded away your pick, because technically you'd have already made your pick.

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    Seems to me they could offer a lottery protected pick. That might be the most convoluted draft pick in history:

    Top 3/2/1 (depends on year) -> TOR
    Other lottery -> HOU
    Outside Lottery -> Other team

    EDIT: Matt just debunked this. Why is it you can't trade 2 consecutive picks?
    Just the rules.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Atlanta would be a place that would make a lot of sense for Jose. So would Indiana.

    I'm not sure what I would be looking for from those teams. If ATL is looking to make a play for D12 they might consider moving Smith for less than you think to free up space. I wonder if Jose plus DeMar and a future unprotected 1st rounder would do the trick? Of course a contract extension would have to be reached prior to the trade.
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    Ha, ha clearly I need to get caught up. I wasn't busy during the boring month leading up the the draft but since then I've be out of the loop.

    Augustin is a one year deal. Hill is used to coming off the bench and I feel he's better suited to that. Calderon would be the perfect quarterback for that exciting team in my opinion.
    And if Atlanta truly thinks they have a shot a DHoward, JSmith is one of his best friends.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Just the rules.
    Well, I have to say this seems capricious and arbitrary

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    Pretty frustrating to watch other teams ship around the likes of Colison, Augustin, Sessions and Dragic while were standing here with Jose and our dick out. Teams with the PG need are filling their gaps, and thus limiting the market for Jose and limiting any potential return package.

    We are going to get as much as we got for Barbosa. Unless we're willing to take back a bad contract in exchange for a 1st rounder, we'll get a late second rounder from a quasi-contender.

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    Quote NoBan wrote: View Post
    Pretty frustrating to watch other teams ship around the likes of Colison, Augustin, Sessions and Dragic while were standing here with Jose and our dick out. Teams with the PG need are filling their gaps, and thus limiting the market for Jose and limiting any potential return package.

    We are going to get as much as we got for Barbosa. Unless we're willing to take back a bad contract in exchange for a 1st rounder, we'll get a late second rounder from a quasi-contender.
    All those other players you mentioned are much younger than Calderon and most are much cheaper. Most of the teams are rebuilding as well, so I don't think they were ever going to be likely landing spots for Calderon. I think teams like Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Portland and Philly seem like some of the likliest options.

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