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    If a GM ever predicates his moves on fan reactions then he's stupid and should be fired. I don't get what your point is? BC hasn't changed his philosophy towards building a team since he got here. It's build, but keep flexability, get nowhere, rebuild, be an above average team, fall off a little, retool, rebuild ect. I can't think of a team in this league that is both in great financial standing, but also contending yearly. OKC is unique in that they've still got rookie contracts on two stars. We're going to be paying in the doublefigures for DeRozan, Lowry, Bargs and almost Fields in a few years assuming the team stays in tact for the most part. We'd also have Ross and Val to worry about, not to mention Davis if he develops as expected. We'll be cash strapped soon with a ceiling that stops just short of contending. Woop be excited about our potential. I've been a fan since 2000 and I'd say I've had plenty of reasons withing that time to lose patience. You're telling me it was smart to overpay on two contracts to compete on a limited level for a couple years? Really? Thank god it didn't work out. My point is this is as good as it gets with BC. Don't expect a better roster because this guy finds a way to not deliver every time. Sure he'll have the cash and assets but he'll get a J.O'neall or a Turkoglu cause he doesn't understand the concept of winning big.

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    Quote jimmyhunter wrote: View Post
    If a GM ever predicates his moves on fan reactions then he's stupid and should be fired. I don't get what your point is? BC hasn't changed his philosophy towards building a team since he got here. It's build, but keep flexability, get nowhere, rebuild, be an above average team, fall off a little, retool, rebuild ect. I can't think of a team in this league that is both in great financial standing, but also contending yearly. OKC is unique in that they've still got rookie contracts on two stars. We're going to be paying in the doublefigures for DeRozan, Lowry, Bargs and almost Fields in a few years assuming the team stays in tact for the most part. We'd also have Ross and Val to worry about, not to mention Davis if he develops as expected. We'll be cash strapped soon with a ceiling that stops just short of contending. Woop be excited about our potential. I've been a fan since 2000 and I'd say I've had plenty of reasons withing that time to lose patience. You're telling me it was smart to overpay on two contracts to compete on a limited level for a couple years? Really? Thank god it didn't work out. My point is this is as good as it gets with BC. Don't expect a better roster because this guy finds a way to not deliver every time. Sure he'll have the cash and assets but he'll get a J.O'neall or a Turkoglu cause he doesn't understand the concept of winning big.
    You haven't seen the team play and gel together where it really matters, on the court, & you're already writing them off.. Every team wants to contend and win a championship, but there are 30 teams in this league, & only 1 winner... An organization bringing in success every year, making money, making fans happy, & having players work hard in their job day in and day out is something I prefer than a one time team to win one championship, than be back on stage one. From a non-basketball related stand-point, the Chicago Blackhawks were that team in 2010 I believe it was. The Dallas Mavericks.. Look where they are now? A championship team to a mediocre bunch, after trying to score, score, and score on a free agent.

    The poster said it best earlier, we aren't the Lakers, we aren't the Celtics, we aren't the Knicks..
    This is the only way we can build a good team, through trades, having to overpay in free agency, and the draft.. We aren't attracting anyone right now with nothing but our flexibility...

    You tell me what BC's philosophy is and whay hasn't changed, because our most knowledgable posters and many others really believe we've made successful moves moving in a DIRECTION towards the ultimate goal.

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    Quote jimmyhunter wrote: View Post
    If a GM ever predicates his moves on fan reactions then he's stupid and should be fired. I don't get what your point is? BC hasn't changed his philosophy towards building a team since he got here. It's build, but keep flexability, get nowhere, rebuild, be an above average team, fall off a little, retool, rebuild ect. I can't think of a team in this league that is both in great financial standing, but also contending yearly. OKC is unique in that they've still got rookie contracts on two stars. We're going to be paying in the doublefigures for DeRozan, Lowry, Bargs and almost Fields in a few years assuming the team stays in tact for the most part. We'd also have Ross and Val to worry about, not to mention Davis if he develops as expected. We'll be cash strapped soon with a ceiling that stops just short of contending. Woop be excited about our potential. I've been a fan since 2000 and I'd say I've had plenty of reasons withing that time to lose patience. You're telling me it was smart to overpay on two contracts to compete on a limited level for a couple years? Really? Thank god it didn't work out. My point is this is as good as it gets with BC. Don't expect a better roster because this guy finds a way to not deliver every time. Sure he'll have the cash and assets but he'll get a J.O'neall or a Turkoglu cause he doesn't understand the concept of winning big.
    Agree that a GM shouldn't predicate his moves on fan reaction. Disagree that BC hasn't changed his philosophy. I think that we have seen two different philosophical approaches from BC since he came here. One in the pre-Bosh era and the other post-Bosh. When he took over the team, his philosophy was to build a fast paced team around Bosh for instant success which he attained to some extent(executive of the year followed by another visit to the play-offs). With the hope of making us better, he ended up making moves that in hindsight were mistakes(J O Neal, Hedo and the worst of them all losing Bosh for nothing). After a brief effort to re-tool came a philosophical change. Rebuilding. With Dwane Caseys hiring we started working towards not only a culture(offense oriented to defense oriented) change but creating Cap flexibility. He has made his share of mistakes both in Toronto and Phoenix but to suggest that he will do the same in future is injustice to his reputation. Let's give him a chance 'cause he deserves it.

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    Quote Michel G wrote: View Post
    I like A.I. also, but the 76ers have made moves to pretty much ensure that they don't go into the tax any time soon. I don't think they'll look to move him. I could be wrong though. One can always wish...
    They have also made moves that adds a wing talent (young, Wright, Harkless).

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    People keep raving about our improvements this year as if we have a team that can accomplish anything worthwhile yet. Sure, we can get to 40+ wins but so what? Have we sucked for so long that we're satisfied with just that? I'm not saying don't be happy, but let's keep it in perspective. Our new roster is amazing in comparison to last years squad, but in comparison to other teams in the league we're average to slightly above it. Sure we still have 'flexability' but BC has never been able to spin that into anything of value. If I'm MLSE I'm still letting BC walk at the end of the season for simply not making us a good enough team. He's in the business of saving bucks and building a perennially middle-of-the-pack team. That's why he spends a year selling the entire city on the ideas of 'retooling' and 'flexability' but is so quick to jeopardize all of that progress to chase after a 38 year old Steve Nash. For what? Ticket and jersey sales and a little player developement. Let's be real if we're going to ever be a contender we need a new GM. By all means be happy about this roster, but rest assured this is close to about as good as we'll get. 5-6 years and we go to the playoffs twice? We're so used to being crap we get our hopes up when he gives Landry Fields a poison pill to be our starting SF, and then he's considering letting Jose walk for just cash and some picks. Haha Im not impatient, if we're all still Raptors fans then we definitely know patience, but we've got be realistic. With the money and assets we had this season I'm sure other GMs couldve netted more talent. 40-50 wins for the next 3-4 years is an upsetting thought. Later days....
    I think we are saying the same thing except I have taken glass half full while you have taken half empty approach.

    Raps are better - that is a good thing - and the point of the thread was to highlight the flexibility that still remains to add a significant talent.

    So many factors go in to making a transaction given there are 29 other NBA teams and hundreds of players yet only a small percentage of top talent.

    Clearly you have no faith in BC and, at this point and in my opinion, you can not be faulted for such a view given all the hype and spin BC has put out there with very little to show.

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    Quote jimmyhunter wrote: View Post
    If a GM ever predicates his moves on fan reactions then he's stupid and should be fired. I don't get what your point is? BC hasn't changed his philosophy towards building a team since he got here. It's build, but keep flexability, get nowhere, rebuild, be an above average team, fall off a little, retool, rebuild ect. I can't think of a team in this league that is both in great financial standing, but also contending yearly. OKC is unique in that they've still got rookie contracts on two stars. We're going to be paying in the doublefigures for DeRozan, Lowry, Bargs and almost Fields in a few years assuming the team stays in tact for the most part. We'd also have Ross and Val to worry about, not to mention Davis if he develops as expected. We'll be cash strapped soon with a ceiling that stops just short of contending. Woop be excited about our potential. I've been a fan since 2000 and I'd say I've had plenty of reasons withing that time to lose patience. You're telling me it was smart to overpay on two contracts to compete on a limited level for a couple years? Really? Thank god it didn't work out. My point is this is as good as it gets with BC. Don't expect a better roster because this guy finds a way to not deliver every time. Sure he'll have the cash and assets but he'll get a J.O'neall or a Turkoglu cause he doesn't understand the concept of winning big.
    i think you are pointing to bc's history but not including his time in pheonix. he put together a very good team there. to say "this is as good as it gets with bc" without including actual things he has done better is a little blind. he built a team that was a championship contender already.

    right now we are waiting for a "franchise player" without one we are the same as a handful of teams in this league. we might, big might, have one in jonas.

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    Related to the questions of DD earlier in the thread:

    Casey will never say it directly, but the Raptorsí drafting of Ross was a clear signal that they will be ready to move on from DeRozan next summer if he doesnít develop, or if his price in restricted free agency gets too high. The Raptors are on pace to have a decent chunk of cap room next summer ó something like $10 million ó even after overpaying for Landry Fields. But they could have max-level room without DeRozanís cap hold, and given that DeRozan is still just 22 with room to grow, he may be in line for one of those four-year, $28 million deals that can hamper a teamís flexibility going forward. Smart organizations understand the value of replacing so-so veterans with nearly equivalent players on rookie deals; that was the driving force behind San Antonioís surprising trade of George Hill for Kawhi Leonard, though that deal was even better from the Spursí perspective, since Leonard filled a positional hole.

    http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012...otten-raptors/

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    Nice post Matt. I liked everything I read with the exception of A.I. being your wet dream. You can dream bigger than that damn it Especially with Memphis facing luxury tax next season and hopefully being forced to deal Rudy Gay.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Nice post Matt. I liked everything I read with the exception of A.I. being your wet dream. You can dream bigger than that damn it Especially with Memphis facing luxury tax next season and hopefully being forced to deal Rudy Gay.
    AI fits the total wet dream of Paul George in 2014

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    The poster said it best earlier, we aren't the Lakers, we aren't the Celtics, we aren't the Knicks..
    This is the only way we can build a good team, through trades, having to overpay in free agency, and the draft.. We aren't attracting anyone right now with nothing but our flexibility...

    You tell me what BC's philosophy is and whay hasn't changed, because our most knowledgable posters and many others really believe we've made successful moves moving in a DIRECTION towards the ultimate goal.

    Dude - if we overpay for free agents we won't have any $$$ left for others on our roster or stud free agents..... Overpaying for mediocre players is not the way to do it!! You have to draft a stud or two.....its the only way....

    LA Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
    San Antonio (Tim Duncan, Ginobli, Parker)
    Dallas (Nowitski)
    Miami Heat (Wade)
    Boston (Pierce)

    All teams that won a championship within the last 10 years

    OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) - may win it next year

    I would rather trade away players for more draft picks = better chance at finding that stud

    We just gave away a draft pick next year so that we can MAYBE make the playoffs......***

    I just hope Lowry doesn't take off in 2 years after the big disappointment that usually happens in T.O.

    Dont get me wrong.... I'm a Raptors fan for LIFE..... i just think the only person we should be overpaying is a GREAT GM or President.... someone who thinks that its CHAMPIONSHIPs or BUST....

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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    Dude - if we overpay for free agents we won't have any $$$ left for others on our roster or stud free agents..... Overpaying for mediocre players is not the way to do it!! You have to draft a stud or two.....its the only way....

    LA Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
    San Antonio (Tim Duncan, Ginobli, Parker)
    Dallas (Nowitski)
    Miami Heat (Wade)
    Boston (Pierce)

    All teams that won a championship within the last 10 years

    OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) - may win it next year

    I would rather trade away players for more draft picks = better chance at finding that stud

    We just gave away a draft pick next year so that we can MAYBE make the playoffs......***

    I just hope Lowry doesn't take off in 2 years after the big disappointment that usually happens in T.O.

    Dont get me wrong.... I'm a Raptors fan for LIFE..... i just think the only person we should be overpaying is a GREAT GM or President.... someone who thinks that its CHAMPIONSHIPs or BUST....
    If everyone on the Raptors lives up to their full potential, then they could easily be a couple pieces away from being a top team in the East. There is no one way to build a team, they can't just blow everything up until they get a stud in the draft

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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    Dude - if we overpay for free agents we won't have any $$$ left for others on our roster or stud free agents..... Overpaying for mediocre players is not the way to do it!! You have to draft a stud or two.....its the only way....

    LA Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
    San Antonio (Tim Duncan, Ginobli, Parker)
    Dallas (Nowitski)
    Miami Heat (Wade)
    Boston (Pierce)

    All teams that won a championship within the last 10 years

    OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) - may win it next year

    I would rather trade away players for more draft picks = better chance at finding that stud

    We just gave away a draft pick next year so that we can MAYBE make the playoffs......***

    I just hope Lowry doesn't take off in 2 years after the big disappointment that usually happens in T.O.

    Dont get me wrong.... I'm a Raptors fan for LIFE..... i just think the only person we should be overpaying is a GREAT GM or President.... someone who thinks that its CHAMPIONSHIPs or BUST....
    The whole point of the thread was to highlight how Toronto (while getting younger, deeper, and better) have also maintained the flexibility to add an established and highly paid star.

    As for drafting a stud, Ross and JV could very well be them. It is unlikely but so are most draft picks, however, a few do 'become' stars.

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    Here's a nice breakdown with a few visuals for us that like to see it in table format:

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/toronto-raptors-team-salary

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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    Dude - if we overpay for free agents we won't have any $$$ left for others on our roster or stud free agents..... Overpaying for mediocre players is not the way to do it!! You have to draft a stud or two.....its the only way....

    LA Lakers (Kobe, Bynum)
    San Antonio (Tim Duncan, Ginobli, Parker)
    Dallas (Nowitski)
    Miami Heat (Wade)
    Boston (Pierce)

    All teams that won a championship within the last 10 years

    OKC (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) - may win it next year

    I would rather trade away players for more draft picks = better chance at finding that stud

    We just gave away a draft pick next year so that we can MAYBE make the playoffs......***

    I just hope Lowry doesn't take off in 2 years after the big disappointment that usually happens in T.O.

    Dont get me wrong.... I'm a Raptors fan for LIFE..... i just think the only person we should be overpaying is a GREAT GM or President.... someone who thinks that its CHAMPIONSHIPs or BUST....
    *sigh* There is no solution that always equals to a superstar in the draft... If there was, every team would probably try to tank..

    Drafting a 'stud' or a star, is extremely hard to come by.. If all you do is trade and trade for potential, how would you know that the potential lives up to the hype?

    Notice how Tim Duncan was the only one drafted number 1 out of all those groups of players? We have 4 years past of drafting in the lottery, you are expecting the team to continually settle for my by trading our recently past draft picks?

    Not even gonna bother, stay on course.

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    Great read explaining some of the issues related to the new CBA. Relevant to this thread for the financial freedom the Raptors do have moving forward.


    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1...uild-mavericks

    Despite his unprecedented posture of restraint in the months that have passed since Dallas' championship, I wouldn't count on Cuban being quiet and timid -- maybe strategic is a better word -- for much longer.

    "I just think there's a different approach," Cuban told CBSSports.com during an interview at Summer League, which wrapped up Sunday in Las Vegas. "You see what's happening with teams that are up against the financial limits and it's impacting their behavior. But we haven't seen what's going to happen with the trade limitations and things like that -- not being able to do sign-and-trades, all that kind of stuff."

    For a deep-pocketed owner who's always been willing to trade and deficit-spend his way to success, how is this new model better? Why would he fight for a system that stops him from spending and trading?

    "Is it better? It's just different," Cuban said. "The rules are the rules. Look at Chicago -- they got rid of three really good rotation players because of the new CBA. Look at New York -- they weren't able to match on Jeremy Lin. Under the old CBA, it would've been a no-brainer. And that's before the trade limitations and different team-building impacts come into play, and those don't start until next year. There's some teams that just are oblivious to them that I think it's going to hurt, but we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong."

    Don't bet on it. Cuban was always the renegade willing to spend and take on bad contracts to keep his payroll high and his team's success constant, because that's what the rules allowed. League negotiators admitted during the lockout that the old luxury-tax system didn't have the intended effect of suppressing the payrolls of the top-spending teams, and Cuban's Mavs were Exhibit A in the conference room during all those months of negotiations.
    Next summer, the kind of sign-and-trade arrangements that have sent Chandler, Marcus Camby and Raymond Felton to the Knicks -- and Steve Nash to the Lakers -- won't be permitted for teams that are over the $4 million luxury tax "apron." Further, teams that encroach on that apron will be limited to the smaller, $3 million mid-level exception in free agency and otherwise would face a payroll freeze at $4 million above the tax. Even with the league projecting a $75 million tax line in 2013-14 -- the first year of enhanced tax rates and prohibitions on tax teams doing sign-and-trades -- the high-payroll teams simply can't keep piling on year after year.

    "The financial side isn't the big hurdle," Cuban said. "That's just money. It's the flexibility. I don't want to be in a position where I can't do a sign-and-trade for somebody if that can help my team. I can't get a free agent because I have no cap room -- all I have is $3 million -- and I can't do a sign-and-trade. The trades are limited to 125 percent [in matching salary], so you can't be that team that takes on a bunch of bad contracts. ... That's how we've always done it, taking somebody else's mistakes."
    So think of what Cuban has done since the end of the 2010-11 season as a pause rather than a permanent change of direction. Cuban will still be able to chase free agents, acquire free agents in sign-and-trades and take on other teams' bad contracts. He just can't already be over the luxury-tax threshold when he does -- meaning he'll have to pick his spots. This was one of the key points the owners emphasized in getting not only financial concessions from the players, but also restrictions on how much and how often teams would be able to exceed the tax line.

    "It's tougher to put finishing pieces in place," Cuban said. "And it's tougher to trade your way to a championship team if you're over the tax. You're going to have to take a step back and create flexibility in order to do the trades because otherwise, if you're already over the tax, you're stuck.

    "Everybody's saying, 'Oh, there's all these people spending all this money,' " Cuban said. "There's what, seven teams that went crazy early on and spent all the money, and 23 did nothing except re-sign their own guys or a little play here or there? So I think it's dramatically changed the activities. Maybe we're all wrong and the seven teams that went crazy are right. We'll see."
    And while Cuban's response to the new rules would seem to be dead on, they also could have the unintended effect of causing him to strike out on another free-agent target next summer. Or not. Let's explain.

    If the Magic decide not to trade Howard and instead call his bluff and hang onto him for the entire season, where's he going next summer as a free agent? The team that has long been Howard's preferred destination, the Nets, won't have cap room to sign him and won't be able to do a sign-and-trade because they'll be over the tax apron. Ditto for the Lakers. Even the handful of teams that would be permitted to do a sign-and-trade would only be able to give Howard the same four-year deal with 4.5 percent raises that he could get by signing outright with a team that has room.

    Translation: Unless Howard wants to take a four-year deal with the Mavs -- who were on his original, three-team list along with the Nets and Lakers -- he might decide he's better off staying in Orlando, the only team that would be able to offer him a five-year deal in excess of $100 million. It's just another potential consequence of a labor deal whose intricacies are still playing out. And how they play out will have everything to say about whether the owners will be back at the bargaining table in 2017, when either side can opt out, clamoring for the hard-cap system they wanted all along.

    "Actually, it's better than I thought it would be, but I still don't think it solved all our problems," Cuban said of the labor agreement. "We're drowning in two feet of water instead of 10 feet of water. But hopefully, it gets us closer for the next time."

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    Default What many Raptor fans seem to have missed: the rules of the game have changed!

    Opportunistic is the name of the new game!

    Each time Hawks GM Danny Ferry does an interview, the recurring theme is how he’s being “opportunistic.”

    As in, after trading Joe Johnson and clearing the books after 2011-12, the Hawks now have the flexibility to take advantage of pretty much any opportunity that comes along.

    That’s true, but now what?

    The Hawks already missed out on one opportunity when Dwight Howard was sent to the Lakers before Ferry could even measure Dwight’s feelings about returning home. Next summer Ferry probably will get another crack at Howard (though the Lakers will own Howard’s Bird rights) and any of the other star free agents set to hit the market.

    Financial flexibility is good, and there will be other opportunities, but how to turn that potential into a superstar player(s) that is (are) essential to competing for championships?

    “Read an article about what Mark Cuban is doing,” Ferry said.

    Cuban struck out with his plan of clearing cap space to acquire star players last summer. He’s since resisted the urge to double down on payroll because he believes that, eventually, teams with financial flexibility will benefit from specific CBA rules that kick in starting in 2013-14.

    “I just think there’s a different approach,” Cuban told CBSSports.com. “You see what’s happening with teams that are up against the financial limits and it’s impacting their behavior. But we haven’t seen what’s going to happen with the trade limitations and things like that — not being able to do sign-and-trades, all that kind of stuff.”

    The more punitive tax rate is just one aspect of the rules meant to curtail the big spenders. The rules also stipulate that teams with payrolls more than $4 million above the tax line can’t execute sign-and-trades, can acquire less salary in trades than non-taxpaying teams, and have a smaller mid-level exception and no bi-annual exception.


    Cuban is betting those rules will lead to high-payroll teams being unable to acquire superstars, leaving those with cap space in a stronger position to make deals for those players. Ferry is predicting the same.

    “It’s the same path,” Ferry said. “We don’t have [Dirk] Nowitzki but we have more assets. We have good players. [The Mavs] are piecing things together to keep flexibility to stay competitive. On some level, we are in a similar mode as what Dallas is doing.

    “With Josh [Smith] and Jeff [Teague] and Al [Horford] and flexibility around it and draft choices ahead. I think we are positioned well to be opportunistic whether that’s trade [or] whether that’s free agency in the future. It’s not an exact path. It’s about having a situation where you can be opportunistic.”

    There are reasons to believe the Hawks are in a better position than Dallas. The 2012-13 Hawks, on paper at least, are comparable to the 2012-13 Mavericks. Smith and Horford may be more attractive trade targets now than Nowitzki is 34-years old and owed nearly $44 million over the next two years. The Hawks also have multiple draft picks.

    The counter to those arguments is that the Mavs under Cuban have a much better organizational reputation than the Hawks. That means that, theoretically, they have a better chance of landing superstar free agents or keeping them for the long term after trading for them.

    Now that Ferry has gained the flexibility he coveted, the next step is trying to make the Hawks the kind of franchise where the best players want to work.

    “I’m trying to build well from the inside out,” Ferry said. “We need to build an organizational pride from within. We are not hinging our program on cap space or anything like that. We are hinging it on building a good program and having flexibility to make a trade or do free agency or do whatever.

    “To get centric on cap space, [focusing on] would a free agent come here, that’s not what we are doing right now. That’s not the mode we are in right now. We are in a mode of, ‘Let’s build on an organizational pride and build an even better run machine as an organization.’

    “From there, pride will grow and I think the opportunities that are out there, we are in a good position to be in the game, whether that’s a trade or a free agent or whatever that is.”


    http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/08/1...id=blogs_hawks

    Building from the inside-out?
    Being opportunistic?

    Sounds like approaches being employed north of the border as well while the faithful and 'true' fans stomp their feet and throw a tantrum.

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    "But which free agents are coming to Toronto??? Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!! I don't understand the concept of flexibility. Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!"

    Sincerely,

    Jamshid
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    "But which free agents are coming to Toronto??? Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!! I don't understand the concept of flexibility. Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!"

    Sincerely,

    Jamshid
    Seriously.

    But it is not fair to speak of him in the forums since he doesn't have access.

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    He brings forum discussions to the main page. I'm just returning the favour.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    He brings forum discussions to the main page. I'm just returning the favour.
    I should have put a smiley face in my previous reply.

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