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    Ok, so I've been thinking about this since someone mentioned once again how his floor is often set at Joakim Noah. It's always easier to think of floors (Noah, Chandler) because they are guys who lack talents. It's much harder to think of ceiling comparisons, especially for JV in this day's NBA. So what do you guys think is a decent comparison from any period?

    The best comparison I can come up with for a best-case that still resembles his skill set and body type: David Robinson. Not sure he'll be the scorer Robinson was, especially in the first half of his career, but I see a lot of similarities in their games. Great defenders. Good length. Good motor. Fluid athletes, and both lean. I don't know how big JV gets, but I don't know if he'll ever get "clumsy" big. Variety of offensive skills. Good p'n'r players. JV's range already looks like it'll cap out at the FT line, which is about the same as Robinson.
    Interesting comparison. Here's hoping it comes true

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    Ok, so I've been thinking about this since someone mentioned once again how his floor is often set at Joakim Noah. It's always easier to think of floors (Noah, Chandler) because they are guys who lack talents. It's much harder to think of ceiling comparisons, especially for JV in this day's NBA. So what do you guys think is a decent comparison from any period?

    The best comparison I can come up with for a best-case that still resembles his skill set and body type: David Robinson. Not sure he'll be the scorer Robinson was, especially in the first half of his career, but I see a lot of similarities in their games. Great defenders. Good length. Good motor. Fluid athletes, and both lean. I don't know how big JV gets, but I don't know if he'll ever get "clumsy" big. Variety of offensive skills. Good p'n'r players. JV's range already looks like it'll cap out at the FT line, which is about the same as Robinson.
    The Admiral was a 25 year old rookie. JV has a 5 year head start.

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    the admiral was also basically dwight howard, except on steroids, and about a million times more skilled offensively.

    so if you see dwight howard type athleticism and one of the greatest offensive skill-sets for a big man of all time then i think it's a great comparison.

    otherwise i think you might be aiming a little high

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    Quote chris wrote: View Post
    the admiral was also basically dwight howard, except on steroids, and about a million times more skilled offensively.

    so if you see dwight howard type athleticism and one of the greatest offensive skill-sets for a big man of all time then i think it's a great comparison.

    otherwise i think you might be aiming a little high
    +1 I really see JV right NOW, to Mcgee, but obviously not a dumb-ass, high IQ player for sure. Both fairly raw, both have good length and athleticism, a knack for shot blocking, both do have some question marks offensively and defensively. I don't know why people don't see that as much as I do. Than again, my opinion. I just believe he's a smarter Javale Mcgee, which is a plus for me... Mcgee is a solid player other than being a knuckle head, he's got really good potential.

    Floor to Joakim Noah, and after thinking really hard about it.. A more athletic, healthier, higher motored, but less stronger Andrew Bynum? Bynum is easily the second best center right now, and with still so much growing room left.

    Than again, my opinion, but Bynum also seems unlikely.

    EDIT* Someone said it best up top, I don't think with the like of JV, there might not be anyone within his mold. JV is a very unique big man.

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    I don't think he's on the same level of athleticism as Robinson or Howard, they both came into the league ripped. And he doesn't have the same hops as McGee, but he'll do just fine.

    http://www.sportando.net/video/eng/1...the-glass.html

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    I don't think he's on the same level of athleticism as Robinson or Howard, they both came into the league ripped. And he doesn't have the same hops as McGee, but he'll do just fine.

    http://www.sportando.net/video/eng/1...the-glass.html
    Actually McGee doesn't have the hops one would think he has. He's just long and has amazing wingspan. Look at his draftexpress profile. If you look at most of his dunks you can see that he doesn't have great lift, but with a 7'6'' wingspan he doesn't need it.

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    The mcgee and chandler comparisons are delusional.I have watched him run the floor and finish strongly but he lacks freakish athleticism. If he bulks up it will not do him much goood on the offensive end. If he doesn't he will get pushed around on d playing center. Isee him as a hybrid Marc gasol, Bogut and hibbert in a few years. If he picks up elite post moves we can talk about pau comparisons

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    Over the last year I've sort of let my expectations get tempered, thinking more of the mediocrity of having a rookie 8/7 center and less about just how exciting this guy is as a player. Videos like that...I haven't been as excited about a young guy joining the team in a long time, he is so athletic and energetic - I love the way he gets off the floor and really wants to dunk.

    He reminds me of Chris Anderson on offence - not a projection of impact, he just reminds me of him.

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    I have said it before....Brad Daugherty

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    Oh man...I'm impressed with that one.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Ok, so I've been thinking about this since someone mentioned once again how his floor is often set at Joakim Noah. It's always easier to think of floors (Noah, Chandler) because they are guys who lack talents. It's much harder to think of ceiling comparisons, especially for JV in this day's NBA. So what do you guys think is a decent comparison from any period?

    The best comparison I can come up with for a best-case that still resembles his skill set and body type: David Robinson. Not sure he'll be the scorer Robinson was, especially in the first half of his career, but I see a lot of similarities in their games. Great defenders. Good length. Good motor. Fluid athletes, and both lean. I don't know how big JV gets, but I don't know if he'll ever get "clumsy" big. Variety of offensive skills. Good p'n'r players. JV's range already looks like it'll cap out at the FT line, which is about the same as Robinson.
    He shoots over %80 from the free throw line, so not sure where the idea he's a poor shooter, or has no possibility for shooting range is coming from. He took a ton of free throws in the u18 and shoot what %88?

    On the other hand, highlight reels never show his outside shooting prowess, because he's busy rolling to the rim every chance he gets. Color me happy. If there is one thing the NBA doesn't need, its more outside shooting bigs. For godsake, work on rolling and posting. JV gets it. He doesn't pick and pop, he rolls, rolls, rolls.

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    He shoots over %80 from the free throw line, so not sure where the idea he's a poor shooter, or has no possibility for shooting range is coming from. ..
    If you recall those Raptors TV specials about Jonas, there were lots of examples of him drilling it from outside in practice. All the highlight reels want to fill themselves up with dunks. Earlier on in the year I recall summary clips form games in Europe that showed him hitting threes and lots from outside.

    Someone who has seen more of him play correct me, but what I see is very good mechanics and everything needed for a formidable outside game.

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    He lacks CONFIDENCE in making these. So in other words practice. He tries to go for 100% opportunities while attacking so it's usually under the basket, if it's not wise to make a shot, he passes.

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    So i was just talking to a friend of mine who's a Spurs fan and he was saying they were so hot for him the trade offered for our pick was more than just Tony Parker, it also involved a pick and another player. Word is Buford and the rest of the brass feel he's the closest thing to Duncan (fundamentals, athleticism) that's come into the league since Duncan.

    That's high, high praise.
    @jerboat

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    So i was just talking to a friend of mine who's a Spurs fan and he was saying they were so hot for him the trade offered for our pick was more than just Tony Parker, it also involved a pick and another player. Word is Buford and the rest of the brass feel he's the closest thing to Duncan (fundamentals, athleticism) that's come into the league since Duncan.

    That's high, high praise.
    Come on man... I'm trying to hold back my expectations (and failing already), then you go and say something like that?? I am genuinely PUMPED for this season to start!!

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    So i was just talking to a friend of mine who's a Spurs fan and he was saying they were so hot for him the trade offered for our pick was more than just Tony Parker, it also involved a pick and another player. Word is Buford and the rest of the brass feel he's the closest thing to Duncan (fundamentals, athleticism) that's come into the league since Duncan.

    That's high, high praise.
    Woooot

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    So i was just talking to a friend of mine who's a Spurs fan and he was saying they were so hot for him the trade offered for our pick was more than just Tony Parker, it also involved a pick and another player. Word is Buford and the rest of the brass feel he's the closest thing to Duncan (fundamentals, athleticism) that's come into the league since Duncan.

    That's high, high praise.
    Tim Duncan is arguably the greatest power forward in the game..

    Temper your expectations, temper your expectations..

    Nah! JV's the saviour! :P

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    love his fire
    This is the thing that gets me excited. He just gets so amped for everything he does. That type of passion can lead to a lot of good things.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    So i was just talking to a friend of mine who's a Spurs fan and he was saying they were so hot for him the trade offered for our pick was more than just Tony Parker, it also involved a pick and another player. Word is Buford and the rest of the brass feel he's the closest thing to Duncan (fundamentals, athleticism) that's come into the league since Duncan.

    That's high, high praise.
    I do see a little Timmy in how he finishes his dunks using his quick hops & long arms while keeping the ball high. He's been around so long I forget how raw he was as a rookie but I'm pretty sure his post up game was a bit more (a lot more) polished than JV's is right now. But given time and a lot of work it will get better, but I'm not going to imagine it will get close to Tim Duncan's...but even 80% of that would be amazing to see.

    And are you sure your friend just didn't see that deal in the Spurs trading forum somewhere?

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    He's actually a sports writer in the states.
    @jerboat

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