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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    The source is questionable but it says that Sefalosha has a standing reach of 7'2". Demar's is 6'9" according to Draft Express.

    Source: http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/i...c=18607.0;wap2
    So those standing reaches are impossible for them unless they have t-Rex arms. Do you mean Wing span?

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    Quote albertan_10 wrote: View Post
    So those standing reaches are impossible for them unless they have t-Rex arms. Do you mean Wing span?
    Yes, thanks, I meant wingspan. Standing reach for Sefolosha is on that link also at 8'11".

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    There are misconceptions about Demar's height. He's actually 6'5.5". Igoudala is a quarter inch taller. His standing reach is two inches greater than DD. Landry Fields is a whole inch taller. I have no measurement stats for Sefolosha.

    Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
    If your measurements are from predraft isn't it very possible that Demar has grown an inch and a half since then like Paul George? Nba.com could be more updated

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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    If your measurements are from predraft isn't it very possible that Demar has grown an inch and a half since then like Paul George? Nba.com could be more updated
    Not always. Amir is still listed at 210lbs.

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    I would also question the desire to take the beating to do those things. A good part of being a great defender is having the mentality to be willing to sacrifice your body.
    I think this pretty much sums up why DeMar hasn't been a solid defender. He doesn't have that fire in him to take the beating a defender needs to take. He has the physical size, but I don't think he has that defensive mind. Maybe its a basketball IQ related issue? Maybe Casey can light that fire under him? I don't know...but I've never really been a fan of DeMar as a defender, and I've never attributed it to his size.

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    Also don't forget that DraftExpress is pre-draft measurements. I grew another 2-3 inches after the age of 19.

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    Quote Quito wrote: View Post
    I think this pretty much sums up why DeMar hasn't been a solid defender. He doesn't have that fire in him to take the beating a defender needs to take. He has the physical size, but I don't think he has that defensive mind. Maybe its a basketball IQ related issue? Maybe Casey can light that fire under him? I don't know...but I've never really been a fan of DeMar as a defender, and I've never attributed it to his size.
    If he doesn't get it this year, he never will. He has a contract extension on the line combined with more competition for playing time and a team desperate to make the playoffs.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If he doesn't get it this year, he never will. He has a contract extension on the line combined with more competition for playing time and a team desperate to make the playoffs.
    I'm curious to see how many non-defensive oriented, gifted athletes like DeMar have actually turned solid defensive players. But I agree, you can only do so much for a player, as a coach, to teach a player how to defend.

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    Seems to me like a fair number of Demar type guys end up being above average defenders after a few years in the league...having a hard time naming any off the top of my head . Sprewell? Starks? MoPete...?

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    Quote Quito wrote: View Post
    I think this pretty much sums up why DeMar hasn't been a solid defender. He doesn't have that fire in him to take the beating a defender needs to take. He has the physical size, but I don't think he has that defensive mind. Maybe its a basketball IQ related issue? Maybe Casey can light that fire under him? I don't know...but I've never really been a fan of DeMar as a defender, and I've never attributed it to his size.
    I think that the reason why Demar is a weak defender is because the first 2 years of his NBA career he was coached by Jay Triano and played in the worst defensive team in the league. Lets face it defensively Jay Triano as a coach sucked, and playing for a team that is the worst in the league in defense makes you learn bad habits, I mean defense was just not a focus for the team pre-Casey.

    Give this guy 1-2 more years under Casey, I guarantee he will become a good defender, I mean if Andrea Bargnani's defense can improve the way we saw it did early in the season with no training camp, Demar's can improve too. The focus is now defense, and I have faith in Casey to teach these guys how to play hard on that side of the ball.

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    Give this guy 1-2 more years under Casey, I guarantee he will become a good defender, I mean if Andrea Bargnani's defense can improve the way we saw it did early in the season with no training camp, Demar's can improve too. The focus is now defense, and I have faith in Casey to teach these guys how to play hard on that side of the ball.
    Love that point. Effectively stops my argument until the season gets rolling as DeMar deserves a shot to learn...I just hope that he actually does. I don't hate him, but his offense is no where near Bargnani's, so I feel like he should at the very least he should step it up on D to compensate. Hopefully he gets it this year, as I don't think BC and company are willing to sign him on long term if he doesn't take the strides they expect him to.

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    Quote Quito wrote: View Post
    Love that point. Effectively stops my argument until the season gets rolling as DeMar deserves a shot to learn...I just hope that he actually does. I don't hate him, but his offense is no where near Bargnani's, so I feel like he should at the very least he should step it up on D to compensate. Hopefully he gets it this year, as I don't think BC and company are willing to sign him on long term if he doesn't take the strides they expect him to.
    Demar is young, he is athletic, and apparently he is a very hard worker in practice. With those characteristics their is no reason why he can't be a good defender. Casey seems like the type of coach who can get the most out of his players. That being said, if we don't see a noticeable difference in his defense after this year, he might've hit his defensive ceiling.

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    The problem is his bizarre sense of entitlement
    @jerboat

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    The problem is his bizarre sense of entitlement
    never got that sense from him. but I didn't like the force feeding him minutes and not making him earn them

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    Quote SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
    Demar is young, he is athletic, and apparently he is a very hard worker in practice. With those characteristics their is no reason why he can't be a good defender. Casey seems like the type of coach who can get the most out of his players. That being said, if we don't see a noticeable difference in his defense after this year, he might've hit his defensive ceiling.
    Love Demar. Agree with everything you say. Especially the 'hard worker' part. Let me also add that he has a good head on his shoulders. All this said though I think that he's best suited for shooting guard and hope he is in our long term plans. I may be proven wrong but in my opinion except size(as of now) Ross has the attributes to eventually be a SF.

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    His tweet and spat with Casey last year showed that for sure. Demar 'plays' small - which is what people are seeing, regardless of physical dimensions. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped out at the trade deadline.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    His tweet and spat with Casey last year showed that for sure. Demar 'plays' small - which is what people are seeing, regardless of physical dimensions. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped out at the trade deadline.
    I forgot about that.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I forgot about that.
    what was his tweet?
    Twitter - @thekid_it

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    3- DeMar DeRozan had another nice night offensively, scoring 17 points on 14 field goal attempts to go along with a couple of boards, an assist, a steal and two blocks. DeRozan scored all of his points through the first three quarters, however, as he was curiously stapled to the bench for much of the fourth quarter. I’m not sure if Dwane Casey was unhappy with something about DeMar’s game tonight, if he was simply sticking with a lineup that had them in a close game down the stretch, or if it was all part of the Tank Nation “conspiracy” (sarcasm by the way, as I can’t see Casey stomaching a purposeful tank). Whatever it was, DeMar didn’t know the reason either, or he did, and just wasn’t happy with it:

    DeMar DeRozan@DeMar_DeRozan
    Straight Bulls#!+
    28 Feb 12

    For the record, that tweet has now mysteriously disappeared. The NBA’s twitter policy does state that players can’t tweet until after they “have finished their responsibilities after games.” The game finished around 10:30. DeMar’s tweet was sent at 11:13. Hopefully one of the beat reporters can confirm soon enough whether DeMar completed his post-game responsibilities before tweeting. Either way, expect insane reaction, massive speculation and maybe even some confusion over what this tweet was really about, if we haven’t already figured it out.
    Did some google work, found this at http://blogs.thescore.com/raptorblog...88-raptors-85/

    Took place after the Rockets game


    But I think things were fine afterwards, though you never know (like what happened with JJ)

    Didn't catch DeMar DeRozan's Twitter mini-controversy until after I recapped Friday night's game. While it was juvenile and once again highlighted the double-edged sword that is social media, at least DeRozan rebounded from a tough night in the right way. The 22-year-old downplayed the tweet as vented frustration (Casey, for his part, saw some good in the fact that DeRozan was angry) and then proceeded to earn nearly a full game's worth of minutes on Sunday.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/game...-over-warriors
    Last edited by theycallmeZZ; Thu Jul 26th, 2012 at 12:02 PM.

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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    If your measurements are from predraft isn't it very possible that Demar has grown an inch and a half since then like Paul George? Nba.com could be more updated
    NBA.com uses the team press release numbers for its player profiles, not the combine measurements.

    These are the numbers that told us Barkley was 6'8" and Shaq weighed 280.

    Combine measurements might get outgrown occasionally (Not usually) but they are way more reliable than the press guides, which are basically wholesale lies.

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