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    Yes, there were mitigating circumstances dictating his price tag. The Raptors initially offered it thinking that they were kneecapping New York's sign-and-trade bid to bring Steve Nash to the Knicks, which turned out to be a useless gesture since Nash ended up with the Los Angeles Lakers. The Raptors also truly wanted him on the team, and so they needed an offer large enough to keep New York from matching it, which was their right since Fields was their restricted free agent. Considering the fact that some believed right up until the eleventh hour that New York might match, it gives some credence to the notion that Toronto had to pay what it did to shake him loose.
    Tim Chisolm TSN
    Granted there is probably opinion in his article too, but I'll trust a reporter over blanket blog statements like

    I think we all know thats due to the nash blunder
    Let's turn thee discussion back to Klieza, rather than an argument over excessive hyperbole.

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    I think a LK/DD starting lineup with Ross and LF filling in the 2/3 off the bench is entirely possible. On the one hand, I can certainly see them wanting to justify the $ they spent on Fields .. but on the other hand ... hes really more of a 2 and is LK truly is healthy for the first time, he may well be our best option at the 3.
    I don't think Dwayne Casey cares for one second how much each Raptor is earning. At least, I sincerely hope he doesn't.

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    Quote Mapko wrote: View Post
    He had (what?) 25 points against a fairly decent US team. Can you get better competition than that?
    one game dude. congrats on klieza having a good olympics but he isn't going to come back to the raptors next year an entirely new player who plays like this all the time. not going to happen. he will fill his role off the bench and some games he will drop 20 points on hot shooting and others he will drop 3 on 1-6 from 3. the fiba 3 is closer then the nba 3.

    i am not putting him down, i like klieza, but this site does have a way to overvalue players or get out of hand quickly. if you go look at kliezas fiba history. he always plays well in these competition.

    here he is in the 2012 qualifying tournament and these teams aren't america
    http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng...ent/index.html
    a couple 13 and 14 point games in there

    here is 2010 world cup and if you look at this american game he only had 4 points
    http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng...5/profile.html

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    here is 2010 world cup and if you look at this american game he only had 4 points
    http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng...5/profile.html
    One game dude. Iggy shut him down.

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    Quote Mess wrote: View Post
    One game dude. Iggy shut him down.
    haha. i know that. using it as an example that one game doesn't make a case.

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    Quote Katman wrote: View Post
    In your opinion, stop stating things as facts that you can't substantiate.
    you mean something like

    That's simply not true, BC wanted him.
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    I'll trust a reporter over blanket blog statements like
    so what if a reporter said something like

    I don't care what the Raptors are saying, they would have never paid him that much money had they known Nash was heading to L.A
    we should trust that is now true, after all its a reporter saying it


    On an unrelated note, Kleiza has been very good at the olympics.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    How does this look for a bench unit, all 5 guys non-starters

    PG Jose
    SG Ross
    SF Linas
    PF Ed/Amir
    C Amir/Ed

    I like what that line-up could bring to the floor, good shooters, good post play, athleticism, can work in the half court or on the break. Early in the year we may see Amir as a Starter with Jonas off the bench, but it could be Gray starting in November as well.
    I just took in that with the exception of Ross that was our starting lineup last year with bargnani out. Crazy, our bench is deeper than I thought.

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    nothing wrong with Linas now that he is healthy!!!!

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    Klieza

    Kleiza

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    Really waiting for the upcoming Raptors season with a healthy Linus Clayza and Lil' Val. They should snatch Martynas Pocius as well, I heard Real is selling him (what's that biggest sum NBA could pay for a buyout?).
    Last edited by omgsomuchpotential; Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 03:27 PM.

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    Martynas Pocius, hmmm, interesting. The guy is better for nba game, no doubt, though nba teams won't include him into their roosters and won't consider doing so for at least another 2 years (imo).

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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    Really waiting for the upcoming Raptors season with a healthy Linus Clayza and Lil' Val. They should snatch Martynas Pocius as well, I heard Real is selling him (what's that biggest sum NBA could pay for a buyout?).
    Something like half a million.

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    Quote YoungGuns wrote: View Post
    He has had an awesome olympics ... I know Valanciunas plays on Lithuania but you gotta give Kleiza some love.
    LK can make baskets he has gifts. Every once and a while he will get hot from down town.
    Because of his limited athleticism and defense the "love-meter" will only go so high.

    I like him coming off the bench with a second unit as a 2nd or 3rd option. Any bigger role than that in the NBA and your team is leaning too heavily on an incapable piece.
    "I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"

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    Quote Mess wrote: View Post
    I don't think Dwayne Casey cares for one second how much each Raptor is earning. At least, I sincerely hope he doesn't.
    Dwayne Casey answers to Colangelo. Colangelo answers to ownership. Ownership cares how much each raptor is being paid.

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    Linas Kleiza MIP
    TORONTOOOOOO RAPTORSSSSSS

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    Ownership cares about winning more than in the past. Ratings go up when wins go up and Rogers and Bell want to see higher ratings more than the teachers union used to. Ownership trusts management to make the decisions on contracts and isn't going to meddle in a contract like Fields. On the same note if Casey wins with the lineup he puts together Colangelo isn't going to step on his toes and insist on making coaching decisions.
    Last edited by j bean; Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 08:18 PM.

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    I remember this game from last season, Kleiza can surely perform. Now that he's healthy, even though we didn't put him in our minds, it's a great extra piece for our playoff push.
    TORONTOOOOOO RAPTORSSSSSS

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    How does this look for a bench unit, all 5 guys non-starters

    PG Jose
    SG Ross
    SF Linas
    PF Ed/Amir
    C Amir/Ed

    I like what that line-up could bring to the floor, good shooters, good post play, athleticism, can work in the half court or on the break. Early in the year we may see Amir as a Starter with Jonas off the bench, but it could be Gray starting in November as well.
    That bench is equivalent to our starting 5 the past few years.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Dwayne Casey answers to Colangelo. Colangelo answers to ownership. Ownership cares how much each raptor is being paid.
    All of which doesn't refute what I said. You're too cynical for your own good. I don't believe ownership in Toronto would meddle like that.

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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    Really waiting for the upcoming Raptors season with a healthy Linus Clayza and Lil' Val.
    Cassius Clayza?

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