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    Default A positive review from NBADraft.Net's Sam Littman

    2012/13 Payroll: $53.2 million
    2012/13 (Projected) NBA Salary Cap: $58 million
    Roughly: $4.8 million under cap

    Highlights: Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo has arguably the hardest job in the league. Why? Well, because nobody wants to play for his team. Which makes the work he’s done over the past couple seasons – after understandably overpaying the likes of Hedo Turkoglu, given, as previously noted, that nobody really wants to play in Toronto – all the more impressive, assembling a team that could very well contend for a playoff birth this year while boasting considerable potential should the pieces congeal as hoped.

    With no need for more lottery picks to dilute the young talent in the fold and inevitably opt to sign elsewhere, Colangelo pulled off one of the better trades of the offseason in dealing a future lottery pick for Kyle Lowry, one of the league’s five most cap-friendly contracts. The 26-year old point guard, who averaged 14.3 points, 6.6 assists and 1.6 steals for Houston in 2011-12 and is just now entering his prime, will inject the Raptors with welcomed intensity and grit at the point guard position. And he’s owed just $12 million over the next two seasons. The Raptors bolstered their backcourt with the unexpected but commendable selection of 6-7 swingman Terrence Ross with the eighth pick in the draft. Ross is a terrific shooter and dynamic athlete who plays hard and has a high ceiling, and his rookie contract won’t be the least bit burdensome for the Raptors. Former Knicks fan favorite Landry Fields will provide size, toughness and consistency at a reasonable salary.

    Set to suit up for the Raptors after reaching a buyout with his Euro club with a ton of hype, having become increasingly dominant on the amateur, world, and professional circuits following his selection with the fifth pick of the 2011 draft, 6-11 center Jonas Valanciunas is on his way to the NBA. Many scouts in Europe felt that he was the top overall talent in the 2011 draft, Kyrie Irving included. With a passion for the game and excellent length and touch, he has the potential to become one of the top true centers in the league someday. The team has Val locked down at under 4 million for the next four seasons of his rookie contract. He gives the team hope for the future as a centerpiece to build around.

    Unjustly buried in a frontcourt that will only grow more muddled with the addition of Valanciunas, Ed Davis has proved his worth as a reliable rebounder and shot blocker whose scoring ability on the block has always been underrated. He’s a bargain at $5.4 million over the next two years and should be a good complement to Valanciunas and Bargnani off the bench, and could usurp Bargnani as the future at power forward when Il Magio’s contract expires in 2015.

    While the $10.6 million owed to Jose Calderon is a bit much, it’s not necessarily a blemish on the Raptors payroll. Given his standing as the league’s most efficient passer, he’s just about worth the money, and his expiring deal should be attractive to a bunch of teams, with the Mavs already having expressing interest.

    An athletic 22-year old shooting guard who averages 16.7 points and is owed just $3.3 million next season, DeMar DeRozan will likely be moved to the 3 position with Ross appearing to be the team's future at the 2. It's a make or break season for Derozan in Toronto and he appears primed to bolt when his rookie contract expires at season’s end, he doesn’t project to be a part of the Raptors future, but he could also potentially yield something for the team via trade.

    Lowlights: Andrea Bargnani can give you 20 points in a variety of ways, but he’s not good for much else and it’s hard to have faith in a team on which Bargnani is the primary option. The $33 million that he’s owed over the next three years is by no means ludicrous given his impressive scoring arsenal, but his presence could negatively serve the young Raptors’ growth given his poor rebounding ability, ball-dominance and consistently unacceptable effort on the defensive end.

    Amir Johnson’s contract was a mistake from the moment the ink dried and the $20 million he’s owed over the next three years looks even more absurd considering he’s been situated as the team’s fourth big man. Amir's biggest issue is he;s a tweener lacking a true position. Johnson averaged 7.1 points and 6.4 rebounds in 24 minutes a game, and with Valanciunas on the way, it’s hard to imagine that any of those figures will increase.

    Linas Kleiza’s contract is even more unappealing, with $9.2 million owed to the Lithuanian small forward over the next two seasons (the second is a player option). With DeRozan, Fields and Ross at the swing, Kleiza could, and should, be bumped from the rotation.

    The Future: Though it’s taken Colangelo longer than expected, he’s finally assembled a core of talented youngsters who play both ends and project to complement each other well. Lowry will bring a much-needed change of pace at the point guard position while DeRozan, Fields and Ross promise solid production on the wing with the potential to produce big time in the future.

    Bargnani and Valanciunas will make for a nice low block combo, with Valanciunas’ toughness, especially on the boards, complementing Bargnani’s finesse game nicely. Davis is an intriguing young big man with substantial untapped potential.

    They still have the amnesty provision to use on either Calderon or Amir Johnson. With one or two more Colangelo heists, we could be looking at the best Raptors team since the days of Vinsanity and T-Mac, only this group is much more likely to stick together for the long haul.

    Grade: A-

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    Link please?

    EDIT: nvm found it http://nbadraft.net/state-cap-toronto-raptors-3
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    Amir and Klieza are the only realistic amnesty candidates left, Calderon's contract will expire before it could be amnestied. This analysis makes Sheridan look more and more like a maroon.

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    "It's a make or break season for Derozan in Toronto and he appears primed to bolt when his rookie contract expires at season’s end, he doesn’t project to be a part of the Raptors future, but he could also potentially yield something for the team via trade."

    It drives me crazy how many writers seem unable to grasp what Restricted Free Agent status is.

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    A very good review - however they did forget to mention Fields contract amount which would push our grade down to a B or B+ and the way the describe bargnani is a little off.

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    They did mention Fields contract, but they actually called it a "reasonable salary".

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    Quote MyTEAM4Life wrote: View Post
    A very good review - however they did forget to mention Fields contract amount which would push our grade down to a B or B+ and the way the describe bargnani is a little off.
    Why would the Fields contract change the grade? It's what, maybe $1-1.5M more than it should be? He was a RFA, so overpaying is always going to be a reality.

    This team is still under the salary cap (since the writer assumes the cap will increase), has $11.5M - $25.6M in expiring contracts (Calderon - $10.6M, DeRozan - $3.3M with QO, Davis - $2.2M with team option, Kleiza - $4.6M with player option, Gray - $2.5M with player option, Lucas - $1.5M with team option, Anderson - $0.9M) and will still have the amnesty available to them next offseason (Amir - $6M or Bargnani - $10M). That means they could theoretically have as much as 4.8 + 25.6 + 10 = $40M+ in cap space next year!

    The only 100% guaranteed, cannot-use-amnesty-on contracts they have after this season are:
    1. Lowry - 1yr @ $6.2M
    2. Fields - 2yr @ $6.25M (from a cap perspective)
    3. Valanciunas - 1yr @ $3.5M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    4. Ross - 1yr @ $2.7M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    5. Acy --> likely 1 yr @ $1M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year), though I haven't seen any official numbers released
    6. Amir/Bargnani - since they can't amnesty both
    --> that's only approx. $26M (keep Amir) or $30.5 (keep Bargnani) in 100% committed salary for the 2013-14 season, and 4/6 of them are technically expiring after that season


    I think it's time we all stop viewing the Fields contract as some sort of albatross that is crippling the long-term financial flexibility of this franchise. The Raptors are in great shape financially speaking, even with the Fields contract.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Why would the Fields contract change the grade? It's what, maybe $1-1.5M more than it should be? He was a RFA, so overpaying is always going to be a reality.

    This team is still under the salary cap (since the writer assumes the cap will increase), has $11.5M - $25.6M in expiring contracts (Calderon - $10.6M, DeRozan - $3.3M with QO, Davis - $2.2M with team option, Kleiza - $4.6M with player option, Gray - $2.5M with player option, Lucas - $1.5M with team option, Anderson - $0.9M) and will still have the amnesty available to them next offseason (Amir - $6M or Bargnani - $10M). That means they could theoretically have as much as 4.8 + 25.6 + 10 = $40M+ in cap space next year!

    The only 100% guaranteed, cannot-use-amnesty-on contracts they have after this season are:
    1. Lowry - 1yr @ $6.2M
    2. Fields - 2yr @ $6.25M (from a cap perspective)
    3. Valanciunas - 1yr @ $3.5M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    4. Ross - 1yr @ $2.7M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    5. Acy --> likely 1 yr @ $1M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year), though I haven't seen any official numbers released
    6. Amir/Bargnani - since they can't amnesty both
    --> that's only approx. $26M (keep Amir) or $30.5 (keep Bargnani) in 100% committed salary for the 2013-14 season, and 4/6 of them are technically expiring after that season


    I think it's time we all stop viewing the Fields contract as some sort of albatross that is crippling the long-term financial flexibility of this franchise. The Raptors are in great shape financially speaking, even with the Fields contract.
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    terrible article...I doubt he paid any attention to the Raptors last season...in my opinion there were a couple of dumb things he said, like amir's contract is terrible (20 mil over 3 years = 6.7 per season) but Linas' contract is even worse (9.2 over 2 years = 4.6 per season)....productivity wise and contract wise I would rather have Linas
    also...dude needs to stop talking about Ed Davis as if he's our next franchise player:
    "Unjustly buried in a frontcourt that will only grow more muddled with the addition of Valanciunas, Ed Davis has proved his worth as a reliable rebounder and shot blocker whose scoring ability on the block has always been underrated."

    HUH??? Unjustly buried??? he was terrible...and Scoring ability on the block has always been underrated??? WTF??? ughhh. dude was terrible, I hope he comes around this season, but come on...can't stand these guys who write about teams they know nothing about!!

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    Dude was turrible

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    Quote Scarsville wrote: View Post
    terrible article...I doubt he paid any attention to the Raptors last season...in my opinion there were a couple of dumb things he said, like amir's contract is terrible (20 mil over 3 years = 6.7 per season) but Linas' contract is even worse (9.2 over 2 years = 4.6 per season)....productivity wise and contract wise I would rather have Linas
    also...dude needs to stop talking about Ed Davis as if he's our next franchise player:
    "Unjustly buried in a frontcourt that will only grow more muddled with the addition of Valanciunas, Ed Davis has proved his worth as a reliable rebounder and shot blocker whose scoring ability on the block has always been underrated."

    HUH??? Unjustly buried??? he was terrible...and Scoring ability on the block has always been underrated??? WTF??? ughhh. dude was terrible, I hope he comes around this season, but come on...can't stand these guys who write about teams they know nothing about!!
    I agree with most of what you said....especially the beginning ( not so much the end about ED). It sounds like this guy wrote a huge article about every single team in the league and it was midnight and he had to finish talking about us, the kings and the Jazz, so he wrote a bunch of shit that he thought wouldn't get Raps fans upset...

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    its a pretty positive review overall just take it dont complain

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    Quote Scarsville wrote: View Post
    HUH??? Unjustly buried??? he was terrible...and Scoring ability on the block has always been underrated??? WTF??? ughhh. dude was terrible, I hope he comes around this season, but come on...
    Yeah, last year wasn't good for Ed Davis, but I think it's little too early to give up on him, especially after he showed some good signs in the Summer league (mid-range shooting and FT's)
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    If Bargnani is the lowlight because of his normally lackluster defensive effort I guess Littman would have rated them an A if he thought Casey could prevent any lackadaisical attitude from seeping in.

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    Quote Scarsville wrote: View Post
    terrible article...I doubt he paid any attention to the Raptors last season...in my opinion there were a couple of dumb things he said, like amir's contract is terrible (20 mil over 3 years = 6.7 per season) but Linas' contract is even worse (9.2 over 2 years = 4.6 per season)....productivity wise and contract wise I would rather have Linas
    also...dude needs to stop talking about Ed Davis as if he's our next franchise player:
    "Unjustly buried in a frontcourt that will only grow more muddled with the addition of Valanciunas, Ed Davis has proved his worth as a reliable rebounder and shot blocker whose scoring ability on the block has always been underrated."

    HUH??? Unjustly buried??? he was terrible...and Scoring ability on the block has always been underrated??? WTF??? ughhh. dude was terrible, I hope he comes around this season, but come on...can't stand these guys who write about teams they know nothing about!!
    Umm.. explain to me how "terrible" 6ppg - 6.6rpg(Raptors top rebounder) - 1blk - 51%FG - in 23mins is terrible.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Why would the Fields contract change the grade? It's what, maybe $1-1.5M more than it should be? He was a RFA, so overpaying is always going to be a reality.

    This team is still under the salary cap (since the writer assumes the cap will increase), has $11.5M - $25.6M in expiring contracts (Calderon - $10.6M, DeRozan - $3.3M with QO, Davis - $2.2M with team option, Kleiza - $4.6M with player option, Gray - $2.5M with player option, Lucas - $1.5M with team option, Anderson - $0.9M) and will still have the amnesty available to them next offseason (Amir - $6M or Bargnani - $10M). That means they could theoretically have as much as 4.8 + 25.6 + 10 = $40M+ in cap space next year!

    The only 100% guaranteed, cannot-use-amnesty-on contracts they have after this season are:
    1. Lowry - 1yr @ $6.2M
    2. Fields - 2yr @ $6.25M (from a cap perspective)
    3. Valanciunas - 1yr @ $3.5M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    4. Ross - 1yr @ $2.7M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year)
    5. Acy --> likely 1 yr @ $1M (+ 2 team option years, then QO year), though I haven't seen any official numbers released
    6. Amir/Bargnani - since they can't amnesty both
    --> that's only approx. $26M (keep Amir) or $30.5 (keep Bargnani) in 100% committed salary for the 2013-14 season, and 4/6 of them are technically expiring after that season


    I think it's time we all stop viewing the Fields contract as some sort of albatross that is crippling the long-term financial flexibility of this franchise. The Raptors are in great shape financially speaking, even with the Fields contract.
    +1 Not to mention he's a good on-court asset. Whether Fields does not live up to the contract, he can be used as a trade chip in the future, because of his expiring approx. 8$ million on the last year. If he DOES, live up to the contract, likewise can be used as a trade chip as an expiring contract + a good asset, or re-sign with the team.

    The contract is seriously not that bad, maybe it was a signing where Fields was found to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time, because his continued excuse for the "bad" signing was for the full out chase of Steve Nash. Who I'm quite excited that didn't come here, because we got someone who will develop better for the future of the franchise. No more quick fixes BC, this may be your last!

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    Quote Thomas A. wrote: View Post
    "It's a make or break season for Derozan in Toronto and he appears primed to bolt when his rookie contract expires at seasonís end, he doesnít project to be a part of the Raptors future, but he could also potentially yield something for the team via trade."

    It drives me crazy how many writers seem unable to grasp what Restricted Free Agent status is.

    would you match 8-10 a year for demar? i think 8 a year is as high as i would go.
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    Quote Scarsville wrote: View Post
    terrible article...I doubt he paid any attention to the Raptors last season...in my opinion there were a couple of dumb things he said, like amir's contract is terrible (20 mil over 3 years = 6.7 per season) but Linas' contract is even worse (9.2 over 2 years = 4.6 per season)....productivity wise and contract wise I would rather have Linas
    also...dude needs to stop talking about Ed Davis as if he's our next franchise player:
    "Unjustly buried in a frontcourt that will only grow more muddled with the addition of Valanciunas, Ed Davis has proved his worth as a reliable rebounder and shot blocker whose scoring ability on the block has always been underrated."

    HUH??? Unjustly buried??? he was terrible...and Scoring ability on the block has always been underrated??? WTF??? ughhh. dude was terrible, I hope he comes around this season, but come on...can't stand these guys who write about teams they know nothing about!!
    Quote MyTEAM4Life wrote: View Post
    Dude was turrible
    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Umm.. explain to me how "terrible" 6ppg - 6.6rpg(Raptors top rebounder) - 1blk - 51%FG - in 23mins is terrible.
    agree with enlightenment. i have been pushing for the ouster of amir since we drafted bigV. ed is a player. amir is an excuse maker

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    would you match 8-10 a year for demar? i think 8 a year is as high as i would go.
    Really depends on how next season he shows out, because if he lives up to next season's expectations, that 10 million could prove to be a pure bargain.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    +1 Not to mention he's a good on-court asset. Whether Fields does not live up to the contract, he can be used as a trade chip in the future, because of his expiring approx. 8$ million on the last year. If he DOES, live up to the contract, likewise can be used as a trade chip as an expiring contract + a good asset, or re-sign with the team.

    The contract is seriously not that bad, maybe it was a signing where Fields was found to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time, because his continued excuse for the "bad" signing was for the full out chase of Steve Nash. Who I'm quite excited that didn't come here, because we got someone who will develop better for the future of the franchise. No more quick fixes BC, this may be your last!
    His contract salary for cap purposes (and trades) is 6.25 for 3 years, forget about the cash payment in year 3, the only people who care about that are the accountants.

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