Oh please I already stated how the stats were inconsistent. Go back and read. I'm not going to breakdown his entire article because you want me to or simply won't research how yourself.Matt52 wrote:
You were the one who responded to me remember? The one who made assumptions. I'm not "passing the buck".
Oh and I never said the Raptors will not make the playoffs. Nor did I say everything will go wrong. Straw men again.
The links were for your information. You are quick to accuse others of being closed minded or bias, while claiming your own open mindedness and objectivity. .
You made a general statement about statistics. If you are going to call out Brotherston as puff piece, you could at least explain why in more than a sentence with more thought than what is for dinner. While you claim I lack objectivity and am not open minded, every criticism I gave of Hollinger or Simmons at least had reasoned opinions behind it.
Yes, I did respond asking questions that you continually jump around while also agreeing with the premise Brotherston has painted a situation where 'everything' goes right for the Raptors. Too bad you rely on the straw man b.s. without actually clarifying anything leaving one to make assumptions on your posts. If you agree with Brotherston's premise (that the Raptors will make the playoffs) why not explain? If you don't agree with Brotherston, why not explain? If you actually don't have an opinion and are just making noise why not state that.
It is pretty tough to misrepresent your position when as you have clearly stated above you have not actually stated an opinion. Remember the article is about why the Raptors will make the playoffs.
I suggest you go back and read the posts. If I've offended you in the original reply I do apologize but that was not the intent. If I have made incorrect assumptions I really would have liked an explanation versus a bitchy reply about Hollinger or Simmons. I always thought the purpose of the forums was discussion not cop out replies about straw men.
Guys, guys... There's no need to argue.
If you agree with the article, good.
If you feel negative about the Raptors, refer to that other thread that I'm too lazy to link to. Or just wallow in your despair. Or go party with Jamshid on the front page articles. LOL
TORONTOOOOOO RAPTORSSSSSS
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I can't argue with the stats Brotherston presented in his article. But since he was just a regular poster on this site, then went on to write for Bleacher Report, there's an "amateur hour" feeling surrounding everything he writes. Just my opinion, of course (based on unreliable first impressions).
Having said that, I hope he's right about the Raptors making the playoffs. But I wouldn't feel comfortable making assertions that it WILL happen.
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
Your complaint about his stat usage doesn't seem valid in this case since all of the stats he used in the article are per game (points per game, FTA per game, steals per game). So if all of his stats are consistent, and his points are valid, then what is the issue?
It's definitely a positive article, but perhaps the point isn't that the Raptors will make the playoffs, but rather pointing out the areas of success where the team could make the playoffs.
Go Raps Go
In Casey We Trust
"The idea isn't to block every shot, the idea is to make your opponent think you might" - Bill Russell
News Flash boys, every piece by every writer is an opinion piece (or "puff piece") in August & September - there are no hard facts to go on as no team has played a game with the new lineups, heck, training camps haven't even started. No team really knows if the moves they made in the off season will pan out - let alone anyone in the media. But that's not a reason to avoid looking at what's happened and trying to draw some early conclusions.
Articles/rankings/etc written now are to generate discussion about the moves teams have made, might make and whether or not those moves will make the team better - if you want hard-core researched stuff, you'll have to wait until the season starts and we get to start interviewing guys after all those new players on the various teams actually get to play together.
Personally, I like the off season - Supporting or trashing the moves made by a GM over the summer is a sport in and of itself.
That's nothing compared to supporting or trashing posts made by loony tunes RR citizens. You guys know who you are. Now just stop it.
A possible 7th reason why Toronto could make the playoffs:
With Washington one of those lottery teams making big improvements and possibly challenging for a playoff spot, missing Wall 12 games and then watching him return from injury and get in to game form could be upwards of 25 games - nearly a third of the season.Wall Hits A Wall
A year ago, the Washington Wizards had the second-worst record in the NBA, but with the addition of a top-three draft pick, a handful of experienced veterans to replace a handful of outgoing knuckleheads, and of course the further development of former number one overall selection John Wall, the Wizards are expected to be a much-improved organization in 2012-2013.
That renaissance may have to wait a little while, though8 weeks, to be more preciseas it was announced Friday evening that Wall would miss about eight weeks to heal a burgeoning stress fracture in his knee cap.
On the one hand, this isnt a season-crusher for the Wizards, but on the other hand it means the teams best player and floor leader will miss the entire preseason and around 12 regular-season games. A return in the first week of December is the realistic expectation, so even though this doesnt rob the Wizards of their playoff hopes, it could make it more difficult if theyre unable to leap off to a hot start without their talented young point guard.
The Wizards are looking on the bright side, however, with team president Ernie Grunfeld using terminology like a minor setback and a bump in the road to describe the injury. Despite the relatively long healing time, the good news is that this wasnt a serious injury sustained all at once. Wall reportedly had pain his knee a month ago, but tests didnt show any problems.
Another MRI on Thursday performed by orthopedic specialist Dr. David Altchek showed the beginnings of a stress fracture that was only going to get worse if Wall didnt start resting and rehabbing it. Hence, 8 weeks.
(Its) just something that happens when you work out very hard. Thats all I can say, Wall told the Associated Press. Its very tough for me.
Its very tough for his team, too, but at least its not a season-ending injury, and at least hes addressing it before training camp. It wouldve been nice to catch the fracture sooner, but it sounds like it wasnt there sooner to be caught.
Either way, Wall will work very hard to get back on the floor, because as he told HOOPSWORLD in a Summer League interview back in July, he wants to get this team back to credibility this season so badly it hurts. Hes very motivated to do so, which means hell be very motivated to make a strong debut, even if that debut isnt until December.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturd...ntil-december/
An unfortunate blow for Washington might be a bit of luck for Toronto. WSH hardly has depth at PG.
"...he’ll be very motivated to make a strong debut, even if that debut isn’t until December."
Here's hoping he doesn't rush his return to the floor and sustain a more significant injury. Something young players are wont to do.
It might be good for TO is he did, but that is not the way you want to sneak into the play-offs.
Agreed but it is what it is.
Matt, I watched the Raptors Preview, and Charles Barkley was babbling like an idiot. Did you watch it, and can you grab what he's trying to say?
I think he said we're the 5th best team in the Atlantic, but not a top 4 team. Would that mean we are a playoff team even if we're 5th best and not top 4? Sorry, it was Charles Barkley.
It was along the lines of "they're the 5th best team of the division I'm previewing so what is there to say?"
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Yeah but he said something about the conference. Whatever, Charles Barkley is a babbling idiot.
Didn't hear it.
5th best in the Atlantic is nothing new from a preview/forecast perspective.
Raps could be a playoff team finishing 5th in Atlantic but it would mean only 1 other team besides divisional winners get in for the Central and Southeast divisions.
So to wrap up, in other words just 3 of the following teams would make the playoffs if all 5 teams in Atlantic got in:
Chicago
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indiana
Detroit
Washington
Miami
Atlanta
Orlando
Charlotte
Last edited by Matt52; Sun Sep 30th, 2012 at 07:43 PM. Reason: Charlotte was left out accidently - cause you never know, right?
Indiana, Miami, Chicago in my opinion.
Washington with the early blow to John Wall can hurt the team, especially with no significant back-up, nevertheless inexperienced back-court.
Milwaukee won't be good enough, nor will they be able to really co-exist, it was proven last year that it's barely working between Jennings and Ellis.
I find he was pretty disrespectful to be honest.
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