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    Default ESPN #NBArank: Raptors Summary

    Not sure if you guys have been following this thing.
    I find it a little ridiculous, but I'm still curious to see where our boys land.
    SO far, we've got -

    81 - Andrea Bargnani

    101 - Demar Derozan

    148 - Jose Calderon

    150 - Leandro Barbosa

    190 - Amir Johnson

    195 - Jerry Bayless

    199 - Kleiza

    203 - Ed Davis

    244 - Reggie Evans

    294 - Julian Wright *

    313 - Jonas Valanciunas

    355 - James Johnson *

    406 - Joey Dorsey

    416 - Alexis Ajinca

    497 - Solomon Alabi
    *I think they mixed up who these guys were ...


    And there you have it.

    They don't look to favourably upon our boys it seems.

    Ah well, good thing its only ESPN.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Not sure if you guys have been following this thing.
    I find it a little ridiculous, but I'm still curious to see where our boys land.
    SO far, we've got -



    *I think they mixed up who these guys were ...


    Only guys left are Demar an Bargnani.

    Any predictions?
    SI.com had Demar just outside of the Top 100, and Bargs was around 65 (?) I think.
    Jose doesn't get to be on the list?

    Regardless of what one thinks of Bayless or Amir, how are they possibly that close together?

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    Jose doesn't get to be on the list?
    OH YA!!! Obviously!! I knew I forgot someone. Thanks GT!!
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    Amir Johnson is way better than that. What exactly are they basing this on?
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Amir Johnson is way better than that. What exactly are they basing this on?
    I'm doubtful anyone could name 189 players better than Amir that I would believe.

    I already see Josh Howard, Will Bynum, Jeff Teague, Matt Barnes, Rodrigue Beaubois and Shannon Brown who in no way shape or form should be ranked ahead of him. I imagine I'll be able to list atleast another 83 after that.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Amir Johnson is way better than that. What exactly are they basing this on?
    You know this overall NBA rank right. I believe all of the NBA writers for ESPN are polling these players and the average of the votes rank the player.

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    Sorry should have posted this.

    Source
    How did we rank the players?

    We asked 91 experts to rate each player on a 0-to-10 scale, in terms of "the current quality of each player."

    Here is the full list of voters from ESPN.com, the TrueHoop Network, TrueHoop TV, Daily Dime Live, ESPN TV, ESPN Radio, ESPN Deportes, espnW, ESPN The Magazine, ESPN Insider, ESPN Fantasy, ESPN Games, ESPN Dallas, ESPN Los Angeles, ESPN Chicago, ESPN New York, ESPN Stats & Information, ESPN Topics and ESPN Analytics.

    To decide which players to rank, we started with every player who played in the league last season, and then eliminated players who had signed overseas contracts that made them ineligible for the 2011-12 NBA season. Then we added the 60 members of the 2011 draft class, eliminating those not likely to play in the NBA by 2012. That left 500 players, according to our best information as of August 15.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Sorry should have posted this.

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    So what you're saying is that's it's basically arbitrary.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    So what you're saying is that's it's basically arbitrary.
    +1 Completely and Utterly arbitrary. I would definately like to hear their definition of
    "91 experts"

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    So what you're saying is that's it's basically arbitrary.
    100%. It's ESPN.
    Everything they do is based off of their own arbitrary truth.

    And just as Sitnondfence pointed out, that also applies to their definition of 'Expert'. haha

    I've been saying this list is completely and utterly ridiculous since Day 1.
    But its still Trashy Entertainment, that helps pass the day. hahah
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    This is what they posted about Amir:

    @tomhaberstroh: Amir Johnson's PER was better than the following players: Iguodala, Rondo, Joe Johnson. Alas, Amir's foul rate = those 3 *combined*. #NBArank

    @Ianic: Amir Johnson is actually somewhat underrated at 190 despite his contract, good energy and decent game. #NBArank
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    did anyone read the insider article? I did not. I just find it interesting that the headline featured "Amir Johnson rising in the rankings"

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    Seems we forgot about Barbosa as well.

    He came in at an even #150. Not to bad.

    (NOTE: The man we traded him for, Hedo Turkoglu, came in at #153.)
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    How did we forgot Barbosa?

    Jose in there at #148.

    Two Raptors to go!
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    @DashiellD Jose Calderon -- the only player whose FIBA team is better than his NBA team. #NBArank
    Haha! uuuuugh....
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    I can't believe they've got Gary Neal ahead of Barbosa. Thats ridiculous.

    This list is frustrating the HELL out of me. haha
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I can't believe they've got Gary Neal ahead of Barbosa. Thats ridiculous.

    This list is frustrating the HELL out of me. haha
    Neal was good with the Spurs

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    Quote DG88 wrote: View Post
    Neal was good with the Spurs
    And Barbosa was better for the Raptors.

    Thats what I hate about these, is that they are likely taking into consideration Team and Salary, and yet this whole thing is to determine a players 'Individual Quality'. Doesn't make any sense.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    And Barbosa was better for the Raptors.
    No, not really.

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    well glad to see Mike Dunleavy above Jose or Amir on this list. Its deserved.

    Its not like he averages under 60 games a season, has played less than 30 min a game over the last 3 years, has a lower PER, WP etc, or is older than both those guys.......

    and all at the handy price of $10 mil a year.


    sorry what was the criteria again?

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