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    Some key points that Colangelo mentioned:

    This year is much more stable in comparison to last season. Last season was more of a culture shift; whereas the ‘plan’ has accelerated significantly this season.

    There’s been a power-shift in the East. Teams like Atlanta, Boston, and Orlando seem to be in decline; whereas there a few teams on the rise. Colangelo feels that Toronto is one of those teams on the rise.

    This upcoming season reminds BC of his first season with the Raptors – a chance to revamp the team and make some noise.

    BC is really excited about the newcomers, in particular Kyle Lowry, who is ‘tough as nails’.

    DeMar is much bigger and stronger this year. The goal for him will be getting to the basket much more. Colangelo commented that DeRozan will never be a ‘great 3-point shooter’, but that he will be mostly working on attached the rim to get his points, as well as improving his rebounding and defense.

    Kyle Lowry will make DeMar DeRozan better.

    Valancuinas will not be a go-to guy nor a back-to-the-basket player right away. But he’s a fighter. JV will bring great energy and hustle; and he’s tremendous at running the floor on both ends. He’ll have an impact both defensively and offensively.

    Andrea will never be a great rebounder.

    Colangelo has never been as confident in a coach as he is now in Dwane Casey.

    Regarding the organization: “It is one of the best run sports organiziations that I’ve been exposed to”

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/2012/09/..._and_jim_lang/

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    I'm not a BC hater by any means, I've actually always been a supporter, but... the guy spews out the same bullshit every year. How many revamped rosters have we been through now, Bryan? Oh, what? Every year? I would actually be quite fine if I didn't hear him speak until the trade deadline. It's put-up-or-shutup time for BC.

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    I'm not a BC hater by any means, I've actually always been a supporter, but... the guy spews out the same bullshit every year. How many revamped rosters have we been through now, Bryan? Oh, what? Every year? I would actually be quite fine if I didn't hear him speak until the trade deadline. It's put-up-or-shutup time for BC.
    +1

    Big reason why I've been happy to hear Alex Rucker.

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    Kinda discouraging when your own General Manager tells the media that one of his players will "never be good at ______" not with that attitude..

    I agree on Derozan though, why are we looking for him to get a better shot when he can't even do the things that he does well... well...

    He should perfect his slashing and to-the-basket skills before even considering working on his long range jumpshots that we all love to see mid 2nd quarter.

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    I'm not a BC hater by any means, I've actually always been a supporter, but... the guy spews out the same bullshit every year. How many revamped rosters have we been through now, Bryan? Oh, what? Every year? I would actually be quite fine if I didn't hear him speak until the trade deadline. It's put-up-or-shutup time for BC.
    +1 wowee-zowie!

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    You guys, don't like it that he's honest? Everything, he said is something we already knew...carry on.
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    thanks for the link. agree that bc says the same shit every year but it's not because he is trying to trick anyone or thinks we are fools. sports cliches go all the way to the top. 29 other team managers and coaches are doing the same thing as he and dc are doing right now.

    they know who the sports fans are, and that money is coming anyway. they need to sell the team to the sidewalkers with maybe 50 bucks a week spending money. grab some of that every week and make sure the bottom line is taken care of.

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    Regarding the organization: ďIt is one of the best run sports organiziations that Iíve been exposed toĒ
    Hold up here just a sec. This quote bears a little analysis.

    1. Assuming he's talking about the Toronto Raptors, which is the "sports organization", and not MLSE, which is a company that happens to own sports organizations along with other types of organizations, the guy is saying "The organization that I run is one of the best run sports organizations I've been exposed to.

    2. His entire career up until he arrived in Toronto was spent with the Suns. He's only been exposed to one other sports organization in his entire life (maybe two if you count USA basketball). And the Raptors (again, the organization he himself runs as president and general manager) are only "one of the" best? So, like, top three? High praise there, Bryan.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    thanks for the link. agree that bc says the same shit every year but it's not because he is trying to trick anyone or thinks we are fools. sports cliches go all the way to the top. 29 other team managers and coaches are doing the same thing as he and dc are doing right now.

    they know who the sports fans are, and that money is coming anyway. they need to sell the team to the sidewalkers with maybe 50 bucks a week spending money. grab some of that every week and make sure the bottom line is taken care of.
    Agreed. People are making a bid deal outta this, but he's just doing part of his job, just like every other GM

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    Funny how the 1st thing outta his mouth was regarding season tickets, lol.
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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    Hold up here just a sec. This quote bears a little analysis.

    1. Assuming he's talking about the Toronto Raptors, which is the "sports organization", and not MLSE, which is a company that happens to own sports organizations along with other types of organizations, the guy is saying "The organization that I run is one of the best run sports organizations I've been exposed to.

    2. His entire career up until he arrived in Toronto was spent with the Suns. He's only been exposed to one other sports organization in his entire life (maybe two if you count USA basketball). And the Raptors (again, the organization he himself runs as president and general manager) are only "one of the" best? So, like, top three? High praise there, Bryan.
    Perhaps your "analysis" might better be called "twisting to suit my script"?
    1. The guy is way too smooth to be publicly patting himself on the back for a well run "sports organization". Such an assumption is a tad foolhardy, imo, and I would bet my bottom dollar that he's referring to ownership/MLSE.
    2. The key phrase is "exposed to", which can entail much more than those he has worked for. As one example, he has very likely talked to other teams prior to deciding upon the job with the Raps. That would have "exposed" him to how those organizations are run. With so many talks with other teams' GMs/Management, and annual GM meetings, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that he's been significantly "exposed" to at least some of the style and management of some of those teams.

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    Most interesting thing to me is that BC seems to be out of the prediction business. No more "Best team ever on paper" or "wish I could go on a season long scouting trip" stuff. Ambiguity from the GM this time around. Probably smart given the roster.
    Last edited by slaw; Thu Sep 27th, 2012 at 11:43 AM.

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    Barring a miracle... or a confluence of events that see the Raptors exceed all prognosticators projections, I have a sneaking suspicion that this will be BC's last year with the team

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    I'm not a BC hater by any means, I've actually always been a supporter, but... the guy spews out the same bullshit every year. How many revamped rosters have we been through now, Bryan? Oh, what? Every year? I would actually be quite fine if I didn't hear him speak until the trade deadline. It's put-up-or-shutup time for BC.
    What would you rather have him say? That this year's team is the same as every crappy team they've had for the past couple of years? That there's no use going through the draft, scouting players coming into free agency because it will always be the same result every single year anyways?

    Maybe this is how he should address an interview or presscon, slotted for 30mins to an hour:

    Reporter: BC, what makes this team different from last season's? What are the expectations? How far do you think this team will go???

    BC: You'll see.

    DONE.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Most interesting thing to me is that BC seems to be out of the prediction business. No more "Best team ever on paper" or "wish I could go on a season long scouting trip" stuff. Ambiguity from the GM this time around. Probably smart given the roster.
    Im actually glad he's staying away from those. Not healthy.

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    I guess fans are in the business of trying to encourage executives of their favourite sports teams to spill their guts about the organizations hope, fears, aspirations and actual staff generated predictions. In addition they want detailed projections of exactly what the strengths and weaknesses of their roster.

    Whereas sports teams executives are in the business of business.

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    Didn't listen to the interview, but this seems pretty standard for what 590's audience would be expecting. General "state of the team" stuff for the average sports fan. I think his reponses break down into 2 categories

    1) Legit reasons for optimism + legit reasons to regulate expectations
    • This year is much more stable in comparison to last season. Last season was more of a culture shift; whereas the ‘plan’ has accelerated significantly this season.
    • BC is really excited about the newcomers, in particular Kyle Lowry, who is ‘tough as nails’.
    • Valancuinas will not be a go-to guy nor a back-to-the-basket player right away. But he’s a fighter. JV will bring great energy and hustle; and he’s tremendous at running the floor on both ends. He’ll have an impact both defensively and offensively.
    • Colangelo has never been as confident in a coach as he is now in Dwane Casey.
    • Andrea will never be a great rebounder
    I'm pretty much on board with all of that.

    2) BS that BC is hoping for or at least hoping we buy.
    • There’s been a power-shift in the East. Teams like Atlanta, Boston, and Orlando seem to be in decline; whereas there a few teams on the rise. Colangelo feels that Toronto is one of those teams on the rise.
    • This upcoming season reminds BC of his first season with the Raptors – a chance to revamp the team and make some noise.
    • Regarding the organization: “It is one of the best run sports organiziations that I’ve been exposed to”
    • DeMar is much bigger and stronger this year. The goal for him will be getting to the basket much more. Colangelo commented that DeRozan will never be a ‘great 3-point shooter’, but that he will be mostly working on attached the rim to get his points, as well as improving his rebounding and defense.
    • Kyle Lowry will make DeMar DeRozan better.
    The "power shift" thing is a crock because: The top teams will remain to be Boston, Chicago, Miami and likely Indiana. Philly and Milly and Hot Lanta will hover around; Brooklyn & New York should be better than all of them. Orlando will fall off the table. Detroit, Charlotte, and Washington will continue to suck. We're all hoping we can jump up to the PHI/MIL/ATL group, or at least hoping we won't continue to be in the DET/CHA/WSH group. There is no power shift. That is something BC made up for some reason that makes sense to him and the Raps PR team.

    Linking this season to his first is fluff. "Hey, remember that one time when things were good? That might happen again! I swear!"

    The stuff about Demar is wishful thinking, pure and simple. Demar looked like a lottery misfire last year, but it sure would help if he and/or ED took a step forward.

    I thought it made sense when he talked about how Landry blows him every night as an unwritten stipulation in his contract. That really cleared up the signing, IMO.
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