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what is DeMar worth?
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Dr does not play or feel like a starting guard in NBA. He succumbed early in the career to the raps collective infectious disease - aversion to taking the ball to the basket. Ball is cheap, shoot as often as you please, and expect others to rebound. Further, he defers and respects too much, in particular the star opposing players. Suggestion - keep him for the bench, absolutely do not overpay, and look to trade for an upgrade on that position.
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tkfu wrote: View PostHe was shooting great to start the season, even looked like he had developed 3pt range. Can't blame it on a lack of training camp.
(Cue blaming it on fatigue as the season wore on in 3...2...1...)
I don't have clips to support this, but I suspect that at the start of the season, other teams were still working from last year's scouting reports and didn't think they had to respect his 3-point shot, so they sagged off him and he made those open looks. When they started paying defensive attention to his shot, it stopped falling.
If that's accurate, it certainly isn't a good sign, but I do expect his shooting percentage to increase this season due to a combination of his usage dropping and being more open when he shoots.
That said, I'm not sold on him long-term. Like you, I'd prefer to divest the franchise of inefficient players. I like what their analytics guys are saying publically, so I have to think that they're more capable of evaluating efficiency than we are -- meaning they know as well as we do that DeRozan is an inefficient player and are expecting substantial improvement from him this season. Insurance against that not happening may have been part of the motive behind drafting Ross.
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Michel G wrote: View PostThe whole point of signing a player after the third year is to pay them less than if you wait until after the fourth year. Look at the those idiots in Memphis with Rudy Gay.
Memphis I agree made a big mistake with Gay. A costly one.Attitude Is A Choice.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI don't think DeMar is worth more than MLE/$5M at this point - MAX - and more likely closer to $4M. Maybe this season proves different.
My main measuring stick is the 3 year, $10M contract Alonzo Gee signed with Cleveland.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostTherin lies the problem. DeRozan's qualifying offer is $4.3M and I fully expect him to attract higher bidders on the open market, even as a RFA. I think he'd be a great 6th man, but his contract is going to make him too expensive to keep as a backup, especially on a team with Fields & Ross already filling the SG position.
Or maybe he puts in another plateau like season and we have another Bayless like situation.
Time will tell.
p.s. or maybe he is used in a sign and trade.
Who knows?!?!?!
But right now he is not worth more than $5M.... but then again, neither is Fields.
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DD has got a lot to prove this year! Based on his numbers from the last two years, he's not starter caliber player. BC scares me though, he has a history of overpaying for "talent" in hopes it "develops"; this is an area BC does poorly as a GM. The list is so long...
Bargs - 7 year 62M
Calderon - 5 year 45M
Hedu - 5 year 53M
Amir - 5 year 30M
Capono - 4 year 24M
and now Fields, 3 year 19M
I'm not throwing the towel on DD but BC has to realize his value and either pay him accordingly or trade him to other GMs that see more value in him. If his agent doesn't want to sign a reasonable contract, trade him or let him walk! don't cripple yourself with a bad contract in hopes that he'll be better one day.
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@tkfu
Couldn't agree more, except I'd maybe be even more harsh because of this "potential" nonsense. He is what he is. Hoping for guys to be this or that isn't a way to plan a roster. He needs to go, and I think it would be really funny if he's on an NBA roster next year. It would only be because of the absurd "potential" nonsense even believed in by professional NBA personnel executives. In other words, I wouldn't even give him the league minimum. The guy is a disastrous player.
Also, one thing you didn't mention is he's actually gotten worse each year, if you look at the numbers. Puts a crimp in the "potential" arguments.
I'm glad I'm not the only one here throwing cold water on some of the science fiction surrounding the guy from the fan base.
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thead wrote: View Postsince his contract is coming due and there is some discussion about keeping him.
What are players similar to him getting?
Do we overpay in the hopes of him reaching his potential?
Do we do something short term?
Do we test his RFA status?
My personal opinion is he is worth Wilson Chandler/Amir Johnson money 6 - 8 million a year based on current performance.
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Apollo wrote: View PostHe's worth whatever the market dictates. He's going to have a good season this year in my opinion and it's going to increase his price. Colangelo has a history of sticking by his picks. He'll pay beyond what the fans deem is fair if he has to. That's my prediction.
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