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    I recall Bargs has never performed fantastically in pre-season, even before his historic 13-game stint I remember him being fairly ordinary during the pre-season. It'll take real games for him to show up, hopefully. No way he goes before Calderon or even one of Ed/Amir.

    You don't just replace a 20ppg big especially when you've brought a rim-protector rookie to help hide his deficiencies on defence and the boards.
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    Quote playmak3r5 wrote: View Post
    I recall Bargs has never performed fantastically in pre-season, even before his historic 13-game stint I remember him being fairly ordinary during the pre-season. It'll take real games for him to show up, hopefully. No way he goes before Calderon or even one of Ed/Amir.

    You don't just replace a 20ppg big especially when you've brought a rim-protector rookie to help hide his deficiencies on defence and the boards.
    +1

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    I see DeMar being shipped out before Andrea. The only chance Andrea gets traded is if Ed Davis magically breaks out this season or the next. I don't see it happening.
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    Quote playmak3r5 wrote: View Post
    Ieven before his historic 13-game stint
    Bwahahahahaha, love it. Forget about 5 years and 2 no shows in the playoffs, those 13 games were gold, I'm tellin ya, GOLD!
    LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!

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    Quote Fuchan wrote: View Post
    Damn staight, that would be a dream scenario

    Lowry, DeRozan, Smith, ED, and Val. That would be awesome.

    When I pretend to be an armchair GM, I want to take it slow and steady, but whenever JS is involved, I always throw that out the window. Being a GM and resisting quick fixes must be hard
    If we could get J. Smith for Andrea I would be all for it, but I think Josh would be best served at power forward so in your line up maybe replace Ed with Smith and place T. Ross at SG and move either DD or Fields into the SF spot.

    Lowry
    T. Ross
    DD
    J. Smith
    JV

    That would be a ridiculously athletic line up.

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    Two words: Rudy Gay.

    Lowry
    DeRozan
    Gay
    Amir
    Valanciunas
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That was my only point: DD, SMith, ED, and JV can't shoot outside 18 feet consistently..... or at all.
    We start the pre-season in complete agreement, Matt!

    Outside shooting would be a major problem for this group. I also have strong doubts whether ED and JV are currently strong enough to post up on a regular basis.

    It would not be a pretty offense.

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    Default Mago gets a double double on opening night!

    On his way to the ACC via the Tim Horton's drive-through.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Yes. Lets look at a group who played together for the better part of 6 seasons and only look at one season. That makes perfect sense. But even if we roll in the cherry picked season, there are still 4 guys in the starting lineup who hit over 30% of the 3 pointers attempted. In this hypothetical Raptor lineup, how many guys are going to hit over 30% of their threes? One? Yes, that is what I was saying originally.
    It wasn't cherry picked; we were talking about the championship Pistons, so we'd better talk about their championship season. And you need to learn to count, my friend: Prince, Billups, and (just barely) Sheed makes three out of the starting lineup that are over 30%. And for the hypothetical raps lineup, you'd have Lowry, Ross (hopefully), and Josh Smith (just barely) all capable of shooting above 30%.

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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    It wasn't cherry picked; we were talking about the championship Pistons, so we'd better talk about their championship season. And you need to learn to count, my friend: Prince, Billups, and (just barely) Sheed makes three out of the starting lineup that are over 30%. And for the hypothetical raps lineup, you'd have Lowry, Ross (hopefully), and Josh Smith (just barely) all capable of shooting above 30%.
    lol, JSmoove a 3 pt shooter? Aside from seeing coaches pulling their hair out (if you've watched any amount of Hawks games) when he gets into chucking mode, to put him in a category with any of those Pistons, including your omitted R. Hamilton, is funny.
    Sheed....: lifetime .337 reg season, on 3159 attempts,,,,, playoffs .352 on 540 attempts
    Hamilton.: lifetime .348 reg season, on 1478 attempts,,,,, playoffs .337 on 202 attempts
    Billups....: lifetime .389 reg season, on 4587 attempts,,,,, playoffs .367 on 712 attempts
    Prince....: lifetime .367 reg season, on 1297 attempts,,,,, playoffs .350 on 277 attempts
    JSmoove: lifetime .278 reg season, on 741 attempts,,,,, playoffs .149 on 67 attempts

    C'mon man, JSmoove should not be in a conversation about 3 pt shooters.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Two words: Rudy Gay.

    Lowry
    DeRozan
    Gay
    Amir
    Valanciunas
    I like Rudy and all, but when I look at it on paper I don't think the addition of Rudy to the team makes us an elite offensive team, however adding J. Smith could very well make us an elite defensive team considering Kyle is and excellent defender at PG, and T. Ross projects to be as well at SG. J. Smoove is already a great shot blocker, rebounder and JV also projects to be one.

    You have to hang your hat on either offense or defense, and for me personally I think defense being Casey's specialty you gotta build the team with focus on D. Keep in mind that J. Smith is no slouch...he can get you 17, 18 points a game, but not from the perimeter. Also, come playoff time when everyone starts playing half court ball and clamping down on D, Rudy's perimeter skills get somewhat negated imo.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I like Rudy and all, but when I look at it on paper I don't think the addition of Rudy to the team makes us an elite offensive team, however adding J. Smith could very well make us an elite defensive team considering Kyle is and excellent defender at PG, and T. Ross projects to be as well at SG. J. Smoove is already a great shot blocker, rebounder and JV also projects to be one.

    You have to hang your hat on either offense or defense, and for me personally I think defense being Casey's specialty you gotta build the team with focus on D. Keep in mind that J. Smith is no slouch...he can get you 17, 18 points a game, but not from the perimeter. Also, come playoff time when everyone starts playing half court ball and clamping down on D, Rudy's perimeter skills get somewhat negated imo.
    I'm not a big fan of JSmoove. I don't like tweeners and overall I think he's a bit of an overrated volume scorer and not entirely worth his salary. I don't have stats to backup my claims, as they're entirely based on watching him play on Atlanta and purely subjective. Personally, I'd much prefer Gay, as he's clearly a SF who has shown to defer to teammates offensively, for the good of the team (at his coach's request and sometimes too much, I think). He is solid defensively and I think he has much more room for further improvement than JSmoove.

    If the Raps could use their assets (ie: 2013 2nd round pick, 2 x 2014 2nd round picks, 1 2015 2nd round pick and $3M cash) to acquire at least 1 future 1st round pick, I'd love to flip Calderon (expiring) & DeRozan (Gay's replacement, who's due a big raise this offseason) & Davis (depth and insurance for Arthur) & draft picks (at least 1 1st round pick and possibly additional 2nd round picks) for Gay. However, we don't know whether or not Gay is available, or what other offers Memphis would potentially receive.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I like Rudy and all, but when I look at it on paper I don't think the addition of Rudy to the team makes us an elite offensive team, however adding J. Smith could very well make us an elite defensive team considering Kyle is and excellent defender at PG, and T. Ross projects to be as well at SG. J. Smoove is already a great shot blocker, rebounder and JV also projects to be one.

    You have to hang your hat on either offense or defense, and for me personally I think defense being Casey's specialty you gotta build the team with focus on D. Keep in mind that J. Smith is no slouch...he can get you 17, 18 points a game, but not from the perimeter. Also, come playoff time when everyone starts playing half court ball and clamping down on D, Rudy's perimeter skills get somewhat negated imo.
    I have confidence in Casey's defensive abilities as a coach. If he can get guys like DeRozan, Calderon and Bargnani to buy in, I'm sure getting Gay to become a respectable wing defender isn't too daunting of a task (if he isn't one already).

    This team is currently good enough to be competitive on any given night. We saw this last year with very few blowout losses. Gay would finally give us a true "closer" to give the ball to in the dying moments of a game. There wouldn't be a need for perfect half court execution anymore. Just give the ball to Gay, run an ISO at the top of the key, and let him create a shot for himself, or a wide open teammate. We haven't had that luxury since Vince was here.
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    I just found it entertaining that the majority of the proposed starting lineups here did not include our 'not overpaid at all' six million dollar man.

    If anyone is traded first I would go with DeRozan or Calderon.
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    This prediction isn't bold enough..

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    I just found it entertaining that the majority of the proposed starting lineups here did not include our 'not overpaid at all' six million dollar man.

    If anyone is traded first I would go with DeRozan or Calderon.
    I know. Amir should be traded ahead of Davis! ;-)

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    Quote tkfu wrote: View Post
    It wasn't cherry picked; we were talking about the championship Pistons, so we'd better talk about their championship season. And you need to learn to count, my friend: Prince, Billups, and (just barely) Sheed makes three out of the starting lineup that are over 30%. And for the hypothetical raps lineup, you'd have Lowry, Ross (hopefully), and Josh Smith (just barely) all capable of shooting above 30%.
    The 3pt %'s have been addressed by another poster, no need for me to do the same.

    Adding in Ross was not the original lineup of the topic. You added in Ross but even in doing this you have added just 2 guys capable of hitting above 30% from 3pt line. As for the three PIstons you listed, have you forgot about Rip Hamilton? Guy shot 30.5% in championship year but is a career 35% 3pt shooter.... I believe all those number are over 30% and if the math is correct that is 4 three point shooters in teh lineup.

    So in conclusion, original post was 4 guys who could not shoot 30% from 3pt line in starting lineup. You have added a guy in Ross who has never even played an NBA regular season minute so the Raps now have 2 in this hypothetical over 30% 3 point shooters in the lineup..... still not good enough. I stand by the original statements.

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    Everything would be so much easier to plan if we had Lebron...

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    Quote Fuchan wrote: View Post
    Everything would be so much easier to plan if we had Lebron...
    and Wade

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i have and always will stand by "bargs is our best chance of 2 points" everytime he has the ball. unless he really doesn't fit in there is no way he is getting traded. 7 footers are getting massive money right now. he would be sent to the bench and unleashed on reserves before he was traded.
    HAHAHAHAHA
    good jokes. They just kept getting funnier as it went along.

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