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Thread: I'm calling it now: sometime before the trade deadline, Jose's ending up in Dallas

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Keep in mind that Calderon wasn't a rental player 2 years ago. Would Memphis be willing to give up Gay for Calderon without a guarantee that he re-signs?
    If Memphis gives up Gay to the Raps, it won't be for Calderon whether he resigned or not.

    It will be for 100% financial.

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    Only problem is that Dallas doesn't have $10 mil in salary that they can send back that the raps would actually want, so a 3rd team would probably have to get involved. So I don't have a good suggestion of how exactly this ends up going down.

    Thoughts?
    ...but you're calling it.
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    Quote pillowmint wrote: View Post
    ...but you're calling it.
    Oh c'mon pillowmint, those are all Technicalities.

    The Hard part is already done; he IS going to Dallas. Let them figure out to make it work. Geez.

    (Tongue placed firmly in cheek)
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    lol
    I don't think that's unreasonable, especially if we throw in our second rounder and the other team either a) can't afford the players contract (rudy gay) b) the other team is looking for cap flexibility, or c) is shitting the bed this season. This would also depend on how much the raptors brass like or dislike the play of Terrance Ross nearing the deadline.

    Keep in mind we almost netted Chandler and Diaw for Calderon 2 seasons ago. I don't think its that far fetched.
    James Harden -IMO we have to add to Jose, Demar.
    As for Rudy Gay -See what Atlanta got got Joe J. The price for an overpriced borderline all-star was set. Sure JJ makes more (annually than Gay), but JJ was a legit all-star (Gay, almost -big difference).
    Jose, DD (and maybe Ed) -all 3 at least decent bench/rotation players, is a lot more than Hawks got for JJ.
    As for Harden -another major difference (wrt Gay) -Even if he gets max deal -still a lot less than Gay or JJ & thus it would likely cost a bid more to acquire than Gay.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Oh c'mon pillowmint, those are all Technicalities.

    The Hard part is already done; he IS going to Dallas. Let them figure out to make it work. Geez.

    (Tongue placed firmly in cheek)
    Ooooo! I stand corrected
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    Prior to the season, before Carter's options had been picked-up by Dallas and before Lucas, Anderson and McGuire had been signed by Toronto, I could have seen this as a viable option (ie: Carter & Dahantay Jones & Beaubois for Calderon). Carter could have been released, Jones would be 3rd string defensive-specialist wing (expiring) and Beaubois could have been backup PG (expiring).

    However, unless a third team can be found to take on at least Carter's salary, I really don't see Dallas as a good fit as a trading partner for Calderon. They have nothing to offer Toronto, aside from expiring contracts - why not just keep Calderon in that case? What is Toronto actually gaining?

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Prior to the season, before Carter's options had been picked-up by Dallas and before Lucas, Anderson and McGuire had been signed by Toronto, I could have seen this as a viable option (ie: Carter & Dahantay Jones & Beaubois for Calderon). Carter could have been released, Jones would be 3rd string defensive-specialist wing (expiring) and Beaubois could have been backup PG (expiring).

    However, unless a third team can be found to take on at least Carter's salary, I really don't see Dallas as a good fit as a trading partner for Calderon. They have nothing to offer Toronto, aside from expiring contracts - why not just keep Calderon in that case? What is Toronto actually gaining?
    Hell no, Carter is staying whether he likes it or not. It's time he's payed a visit to some unhappy fans..

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    When there were reports of Dallas being interested in Calderon it was before their make-over. The way they have reconstructed their roster, with more athleticism on the perimeter because their bigs, weary old men (30, 33 and 34 years old not counting Wrigth who'll probably see limited minutes when all are healthy), can't cover for slowfooted old guards who can't keep up with the quick ones.

    The only reason they'd be interested would be if Nowitzki's injury makes them give up on this season and they want more capspace in the summer. This would mean we'd have to take back Marion (which we don't want).

    I'm calling it off.

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    So West got reinstated. Everyone settle down.
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    Dallas has nothing to offer that equals to Calderon, not to mention anything we want, it completely out of range. Mayo is the only guy I can see we can get sorely by trading Calderon+asset+pick.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Dallas has nothing to offer that equals to Calderon, not to mention anything we want, it completely out of range. Mayo is the only guy I can see we can get sorely by trading Calderon+asset+pick.
    I'd take Mayo. He's an upgrade over DeRozan.
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    We're now seriously heading into bs-land. If Dallas wants to trade away Mayo after a couple of weeks/months, that means he's not panning out. In which case he continues the trend of the last two years and isn't better than DeRozan. If he is an ungrade over DeRozan, Dallas won't trade him.

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    I think he'll eventually end up with the Lake Show, where he can play with his bestest buddy Pau Gasol, but for now he's staying put.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    We're now seriously heading into bs-land. If Dallas wants to trade away Mayo after a couple of weeks/months, that means he's not panning out. In which case he continues the trend of the last two years and isn't better than DeRozan. If he is an ungrade over DeRozan, Dallas won't trade him.
    Unless we package along a veteran point guard, who's probably better than West, and can mentor a young guy like Beaubois. With a second round pick, or whatsoever.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Unless we package along a veteran point guard, who's probably better than West, and can mentor a young guy like Beaubois. With a second round pick, or whatsoever.
    Makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. On a side note: West isn't a bad player; personally I like him a lot and think that if he didn't have all the issues that he has (...) he would have been on a much higher profiled (and paid) career path.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. On a side note: West isn't a bad player; personally I like him a lot and think that if he didn't have all the issues that he has (...) he would have been on a much higher profiled (and paid) career path.
    I expected that career path to improve greatly after sleeping with Mrs. Lebron .. But then he got caught riding a Motorcycle with a Sawed-off Shotgun...
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I expected that career path to improve greatly after sleeping with Mrs. Lebron .. But then he got caught riding a Motorcycle with a Sawed-off Shotgun...
    Having some serious mental problems doesn't help either. Being an nbastar/-player doesn't make it easier to deal with that.

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    Having some serious mental problems doesn't help either. Being an nbastar/-player doesn't make it easier to deal with that.
    Completely agree. I'd like to see him reach out to Royce White actually.

    I mean, not that Delonte has been a model example of dealing with Mental Illness in the NBA, but he could offer some insight I'm sure.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'd take Mayo. He's an upgrade over DeRozan.
    I don't believe that anymore. He hasn't shown anything that makes me think he's better than DeRozan. If he was, he would be an all star. People need to stop thinking that cause it sure as hell isn't true

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    I'm not sure how this thread has become a debate about Mayo, especially since it's incredibly doubtful he'd be on the block in any Calderon-to-Dallas trade (real or rumored).

    Having said that, I do think that Mayo has been undervalued due to playing in the shadow of Gay/Gasol/Randolph and having a reputation as a problem player. I was actually one of the minority of people pushing for a Mayo signing, in part to help facilitate a DeRozan trade. My rationale is that Mayo was signed quite cheaply (especailly if he proves that he isn't the problem that he has the reputation for being), is/was way ahead of DeRozan heading into this season (scoring, 3pt shooting, defense, rebounding) and trading DeRozan would net the team another asset(s) in return before having to shell out big bucks to re-sign him (likely more than what Mayo signed for).

    I do think that DeRozan has the tools and the drive to match/exceed what Mayo brings to the table and I sincerely hope he does so this season for the Raps. He needs to, to justify the contract he'll likely be looking for.

    I think Mayo will do well on a veteran team that doesn't put up with crap, which is another reason I doubt he'd be on the block for Calderon. I also doubt Marion would be on the block. The only pieces I can see Dallas offering are Carter, Beaubois, D.Jones and potentially some of the minimum wage type players. I just don't see a fit without a third team being involved.

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