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Thread: aren't we stuck in mediocrity?

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    i feel your pain son, but let us give this group a chance if by mid-season we don't see anything positive we can re-visit this topic.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Practising for a political career? Got the flip-flop down. Nice save to quickly insert another argument when it's being rebutted.
    Seems like you missed the point too, because it's the exact same argument whether he's on the cap for 8.5 or 6.whatever. That's still a lot of money to be paying for a role player when your 'star' players don't provide good contract value and still need a lot of expensive help around them in order to compete. Good job focussing on the irrelevant 'flip-flop' instead of trying to find a hole in my argument though.

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    That's the problem with people that don't agree with you, they're all ignoring reality and are pretty darn stupid. They think we are going to be champions for the next 10 years. Well, guess what, we won't. You tell em! (building my own Aunt Sally here)
    If you're telling me that Bargs and DeRozan are suddenly going to develop into players capable of leading a team to the conference finals, then yeah, I consider that ignoring reality. And that's the entire premise of the thread, whether or not this team is going to be stuck on the mediocrity treadmill. So as far as I can tell, you're critisizing me for pointing out that the team's core has not in any way shown it's capable of leading the team even as far as the playoffs, and that believing they'll suddenly make the leap to genuine franchise players is blindly believing in something for which there is no evidence. Ok then.

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    We all, except for you, expect them to become allstars or something like that? What?
    Sigh. One more time just so we're clear: that's what would have to happen if this team were to NOT be stuck in mediocrity. Anyone in this thread arguing that the Raps won't be mediocre is arguing that either the team's existing players will consistently lead them deep into the playoffs or that they'll be traded for players who will, or that they'll play along franchise player X that the raps will somehow acquire. My argument is that if none of those scenarios play out, Lowry has no incentive to stay unless the Raps throw a ton of money at him.

    Frankly I don't get why you posted those replies at all. You completely ignored and made no attempt to test the validity of my argument, all you did was take jabs at me for disagreeing with people that think DD and Bargs are capable of leading a contending team.

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    Jermaine O'neil... I'll take this gradual build. Positive things happening in raptorland, young team, plenty of room to grow. I'll be very happy if we grab that 8th seed. Going in the right direction.

    (meant as a reply to an earlier post re swinging for the fences and striking out)
    Last edited by big boi; Sun Oct 28th, 2012 at 12:58 PM.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    I don't like your sentiments here because it's not even true. I know these teams are rare, but goddammit why can't we be one of those teams that catch fire in a bottle.

    OKC - drafted durant, westbrook
    BOS - Big 3 came together, before that they were a lottery team
    LAK - They retool and take big risks every couple of years

    Doesn't it feel like a rip-off to follow a franchise that won't take risks to obtain a higher level of talent. Im a go big or go home kind of guy.......
    I'm glad you're not the GM. Of course fine to have an opinion, but swinging for the fences (go big) and striking out (go home) could be the death knell for this franchise. They need to prove they are a relevant team in this