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    Default JV gets love Tross gets snub... why?

    I understand that Toronto people may connect more with a guy from Lithuania because he sweeps snow off his car a few months out of the year just like the rest of us.

    However - why does he get so much more LOVE from the media and the organization than TROSS?

    Colangelo and Stephaniski still bummed the league F*'ed them out of Harrison Barnes?

    JV plays ahead of Legit NBA big men:
    Gray
    Amir

    Tross plays behind:
    Allan Anderson (career D leaguer )
    Calderon (out of position)
    Landry Kopono

    I saw TROSS in vegas this summer live he is electric - a wonderful athlete brimming with potential. He is already a better shooter than Derozen and is a tenacious defender.

    Why are they forcing the development of one rookie and inhibiting the development of another?

    seriously anyone? because to me it seems like total favoritism and stupidity
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    ross didn't outplay anyone in preseason and we don't see how he does in practice. if he gets five minutes of burn and hits his 2 shots he will get another shift.

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    If Jonas is Coke, Ross is sprite.

    Doesn't matter if you like the taste more or not Coke is going to be the advertisement you see.

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    This is exactly what he's talking about...The NBA loooves Sprite!

    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    If Jonas is Coke, Ross is sprite.

    Doesn't matter if you like the taste more or not Coke is going to be the advertisement you see.

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    This has nothing to do with the fans .. we are all waiting to explode and cheer on T Ross. Caseys got his head up his ass and it makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if he "isnt earning it in practice" .. this is the dude that we stretched on with the #8 pick in a loaded draft (ahead of Drummond and others). Its one thing to do that .. its a whole other to do that and not play the guy.

    This team is not built for 2013 .. lets wake up! We are BARELY a playoff team at best. We should be feeding minutes to JV and TR to see what they can do. Especially when the options are Fields (playing awful) and AA / AG (d-leaguers).

    Ill be there tonight and screaming at Casey when it gets quiet if T Ross isnt getting run...

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    This team is not built for 2013 .. lets wake up! We are BARELY a playoff team at best. We should be feeding minutes to JV and TR to see what they can do. Especially when the options are Fields (playing awful) and AA / AG (d-leaguers).
    +1

    after last nights game you say .... hmm ok fields is struggling we are losing why not give ROSS a little bit of the Brooklyn-First-Game-ever rare air?

    Jayz and Beyonce we courtside - thats the kind of thing that gets a kid pumped and motivated ... no?
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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    This has nothing to do with the fans .. we are all waiting to explode and cheer on T Ross. Caseys got his head up his ass and it makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if he "isnt earning it in practice" .. this is the dude that we stretched on with the #8 pick in a loaded draft (ahead of Drummond and others). Its one thing to do that .. its a whole other to do that and not play the guy.

    This team is not built for 2013 .. lets wake up! We are BARELY a playoff team at best. We should be feeding minutes to JV and TR to see what they can do. Especially when the options are Fields (playing awful) and AA / AG (d-leaguers).

    Ill be there tonight and screaming at Casey when it gets quiet if T Ross isnt getting run...
    I don't think Casey/Colangelo agree. They're trying to win as many games as possible, and Ross just isn't ready to contribute meaningfully yet.

    I think the same would be true of Valanciunas if the alternatives weren't an undersized Amir, or an overmatched Gray.
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    ...Why are they forcing the development of one rookie and inhibiting the development of another?

    seriously anyone? because to me it seems like total favoritism and stupidity
    Maybe because in the pre-season and so far in season games, JV shows that he is an asset on the floor and T Ross hasn't? Casey is trying to win games. JV is better than the other bigs the Raptors have. T Ross may have been lighting it up in summer league, but his play was far from stellar in pre-season. I think DeMar's play last night eclipsed anything the Raps might have reasonably expected from Ross.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Maybe because in the pre-season and so far in season games, JV shows that he is an asset on the floor and T Ross hasn't? Casey is trying to win games. JV is better than the other bigs the Raptors have. T Ross may have been lighting it up in summer league, but his play was far from stellar in pre-season. I think DeMar's play last night eclipsed anything the Raps might have reasonably expected from Ross.
    If DeMar could play like that every game, he would actually be worth his contract and I'd eat all my pixels saying the contrary.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If DeMar could play like that every game, he would actually be worth his contract and I'd eat all my pixels saying the contrary.
    I could be drinking the cool aid on this one but I actually think:
    - DeMar has upside
    - he will continue to improve
    - the last 2 years of his contract could be GREAT value
    - he won't fizzle now that he has made money and will get an even bigger contract after this one
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    I could be drinking the cool aid on this one but I actually think:
    - DeMar has upside
    - he will continue to improve
    - the last 2 years of his contract could be GREAT value
    - he won't fizzle now that he has made money and will get an even bigger contract after this one
    I hope so.

    One thing I noticed on the lineups at the start of the game was DeRozan was slotted as the SF and Fields was the SG. It is all a little bit of semantics as they are wing players but if the organization is looking at DeRozan as a SF it will be interesting to see how he handles that on the defensive end. I recall him being overpowered by Wallace a few times in the post.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I hope so.

    One thing I noticed on the lineups at the start of the game was DeRozan was slotted as the SF and Fields was the SG. It is all a little bit of semantics as they are wing players but if the organization is looking at DeRozan as a SF it will be interesting to see how he handles that on the defensive end. I recall him being overpowered by Wallace a few times in the post.
    You're right, it's just semantics. They are putting Demar on the weaker offensive wing. Last night it was Wallace because Demar has been torched by Joe Johnson in the past.

    As for TRoss... Did anybody think that he positively impacted the game even close to as much as JV did in the preseason? If you did, we were not watching the same game. In the first regular season game he looked so lost. We are seeing what the coaching staff is seeing day-to-day, he is skilled but isn't as ready as JV. I don't think this thread is doing this, but please don't make this into a Euro BryCo love affair. TRoss (who I have been a big advocate of even before the draft) will get his time, and if they keep losing it will come sooner than later, but he should be thanking his lucky stars that JV is on this team to take some of the spotlight off of him and he can grow at the proper rate (cross your fingers and hope he is developed like James Harden, minus the trade to another team and then explodes).

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    One thing I noticed on the lineups at the start of the game was DeRozan was slotted as the SF and Fields was the SG. It is all a little bit of semantics as they are wing players but if the organization is looking at DeRozan as a SF it will be interesting to see how he handles that on the defensive end. I recall him being overpowered by Wallace a few times in the post.
    The TSN broadcast have him as the shooting guard and Sportsnet lists him as the small forward (I was curious so I checked the recordings on the PVR). All I know is that when they're both on the floor, Fields is usually guarding the opposing small forward.

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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    I could be drinking the cool aid on this one but I actually think:
    - DeMar has upside
    - he will continue to improve
    - the last 2 years of his contract could be GREAT value
    - he won't fizzle now that he has made money and will get an even bigger contract after this one
    Or I can say the exact opposite of what you stated. Not disagreeing with you but the opposite is just as or perhaps more likely. We don't know.
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    i thought the raps were playing an inter squad game by the amount of calls going against them. especially the call on AAron where lopez moved his arms up under aaron's arm and pretended to shoot. wow!

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    Ross is still learning the NBA game. He's lost out there, he'll get the hang of it eventually. Not all rookies adjust at the same rate

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    I didn't read all the comments but here it goes.

    two rookies in a starting lineup = bad idea.

    Either JV starts or Ross...they picked JV...I would too.

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    In most of his preseason burn he looked lost and in over his head. He needs some weight and a better understanding of how to use his tools. Summer league doesn't mean a thing (otherwise DD would be all NBA and no one would be worried about his contract). Ross, at this point, hasn't shown a single reason as to why he should get minutes.
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I didn't read all the comments but here it goes.

    two rookies in a starting lineup = bad idea.

    Either JV starts or Ross...they picked JV...I would too.
    TROSS got 6 mins in two games.

    I don't think anyone expects him to start now just needs some run.
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    TROSS got 6 mins in two games.

    I don't think anyone expects him to start now just needs some run.
    The fact that he didn't get any run against two of the better teams in the east just means he didn't get a chance to get discouraged playing against better players. Right now is playing against better players every day in practice. Casey will give him some time when he is less likely to come out of a game discouraged, and with less confidence than when he went in.

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