If certainty > uncertainity, I'm not sure how the certainity of the deal is justified by the uncertainty of other deals that could come from it. None the less, I'll point out the certainity of retaining draft picks (due to the CBA) vs the uncertainty of Lowry's future (due to UFA) should also be heavily considered then as it is the most certain of anything in the deal. But yes, if Lowry is somehow parlayed into an even better player or a higher pick than Toronto would have had, its a great deal. But I'm not sure there is much to indicate, given Colangelo's intentions with this team, there is any chance of even being considered anyways.Back to the earlier comment of trading for a certainty versus an uncertainty.
Lowry, right now, is an asset that will improve the team for the next two years. An improved win/loss record may make it easier to attract free agents for less than atrocious money.
Additionally, Lowry could be packaged with someone else in the trade deal to acquire a better player than packaging a pick in the 6-10 range and anyone on the roster the Raps would choose to trade (the likelihood of the Raps playing badly enough to acquire a pick in the 3-5 range is slight). I still don't see the attraction of an unknown pick (in the 6-10 or lower range) and their lower salary and their likely lower ability that might be available at some unknown time in the future. But I suppose it is a philosophical difference.
As I mentioned above to Matt52, the opportunity cost of the deal is more than just Lowry for a pick. Its Lowry guaranteed for 2 years vs a guaranteed lottery pick and the option of trading a pick until the deal is complete.
There is perhaps some philosophical difference. As I don't think Toronto will ever have an easy time signing FAs without overpaying, and even then it likely won't be the calibre that we may need (eg. Jack, Fields, Kapono, Hedo etc), with the exception of the team perhaps being able to sign vets who want to win now when/if Toronto is a contender. And as such, in order to get to that point, Toronto will likely need to make full use of the draft and trades to have the necessary players. Two things that the Lowry deal limits.
Again this isn't a matter of it being bad. Its just that due to the opportunity cost of the deal, I don't think the deal was the steal alot want to make it out to be. It was add wins now vs add wins later.
It could be a great deal if:
1) Lowry resigns at a fair price
2) there is no one as good as Lowry available at the time of the pick.
3) It has some sort of short term impact on the team (ie. able to sign a FA as you mentioned or turned into a greater trade)
But it could be a bust of a deal if
1) Lowry doesn't resign
2) the Raps miss out on a player as good or better than Lowry
3) the Raps miss out on an even greater deal because they can't include the necessary assets (ie. a pick)
I was hoping BC wasn't going to offer a massive contract to DD and go after JJ Redick and Wright in free agency -- two very attainable FAs (obviously was hoping for JSmith but that's a pipedream)
BC has connections around the league can make trades happen and drafts well but with the contracts he's handed Calderon, Ford, Kapono, Turkgelo, Diaw, LK and now Demar it's obvious he shouldn't be doing the negotiations
It's painful to think DD will be making the same as Kirilenko, Gerald Wallace, Varejao, Marion, Gallinari, SCurry, Holliday, DeAndre Jordan, Nash, Rondo, Batum, Tim Duncan. A combination of past and present allstars or much more talented players
I like DD and his attitude but I think we will looks back at this signing like a Richard Jefferson or Maggette contract -- sure they can score but what else
we have very little financial flexibility going forward, the players we have to show for this don't have much talent. He had a go (2), now it's time to move on. The new guy can come in and do a fire sale on our assets for draft picks and we go from there.
but I digress, your point is still true for the moment, mine is just wild speculation.
Last edited by akashsingh; Sun Nov 4th, 2012 at 09:48 AM.
I understand u wanna weight the opportunity cost of raptors; but you forget about the opportunity cost of BC. So, if you could forget about the way what r u thinking, and just think about how BC could make a better deal and add wins today to save his job may more make sense.
Beside, I wanna fire BC for a long time just because he didn't wanna trade AB7 away. But what he did this year is okay to me.
The opportunity cost to BC is meaningless to me.
I read the players listed that signed those 'bargain' contracts. None of them at this point in their careers really have the upside of Derozan. While Derozan at this point, is a guy who is capable of giving you 18+ a night, and (if he is consistently doing it based on the last two games) plays athletic defense, getting into passing lanes, hand on shots, covering ground.
Colangelo has finally put a plan in, and a lot of people really have to look at the individual FIRST. Landry sure, maybe he was used so that New York didn't acquire Nash, BUT, I really believe he fits this team's system. Rebounder, defender, off-the-ball scorer, and seems like a point-forward type player for he can handle in the back-court. Great all-around player.
Contracts are one thing, the player is another.
DeRozan has the potential to score 18-20ppg for the next 4 seasons. Same with Bargnani. If they AT ALL develop any sense of defense, then the contracts of 10mil/year are justified. The reason that most people feel that they are overpaid is because they tend to play on Offense but not Defense. So that's the only concern I have with their pay. Aside from that, their offensive production, when they're playing the way they're capable of, warrant the type of money they're receiving.
In terms of firing Colangelo.... its 2 games into the season... the product is exciting and competitive.... seriously? It's too early to judge the year, and its far too premature for this type of talk...
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Seriously... How many of these "Fire BC" threads do we need...? Maybe we need to make an "Everything Fire BC Thread".
It is well known that BC has been average if that and nothing more but firing him at this time is not the solution. There are no guarantees on this years team either but let's not get disheartened so soon. Losses can make us feel discouraged but let's be patient and give them some time. In my opinion, if they are 2 or 3 games under .500 at the all-star break, it's an encouraging sign 'cause this is a team that is being REBUILT. His performance as Raptors GM has not been great but let's not forget that he still is one of the shrewdest executives in the league.
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