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    Default Addressing the wing situation

    Is it time to press the panic button? Instead of a big trade, what about looking at the unsigned free agents?

    http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

    Would Pietrus or Howard be a stey up over Alan Anderson or Dominic McGuire? What would it cost to sign them?

    On another note - look at all the former Raptor small forwards that can't get a contract.

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    Seems like something has to be done. So far fields looks lost I would wait around the 15 game mark to push the panic button though. If things arent working out then, pull the trigger on something.

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    Lets not forget we have Kleiza and T Ross on our team. Two wings that have basically seen no time this year (and one who is the #8 pick!). Before we go on the scrap heap for Pietrus or Howard (and spend more money) - lets give the other guys some PT ..

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    Lets not forget we have Kleiza and T Ross on our team. Two wings that have basically seen no time this year (and one who is the #8 pick!). Before we go on the scrap heap for Pietrus or Howard (and spend more money) - lets give the other guys some PT ..
    Valid point - Ross should be getting more playing time and I am not exactly sure why Kleiza is buried on the bench (or in street clothes)... other than any lineup with DD, Jose, Bargnani and Kleiza could be one of the worst defensive teams ever.

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    I'd like to see t-Ross starting. He can't be any worse than Fields offensively.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I'd like to see t-Ross starting. He can't be any worse than Fields offensively.
    agreed

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    Agreed Ross needs to see more time.

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    I don't think anything needs to be done this year. The raps aren't contending for anything but a first round playoff loss, so why make any decision that's gonna set youback later. Just suck it up and hope he gets comfortable enough to contribute down the road.

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    Pietrus if i had to pick a UFA.

    Deng if i had to trade

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    I say keep Anderson as the second unit guy, start Kleiza and use Fields as a role player until he gets his game back or the coach feels like shaking up things again in the future. Kleiza is sort of a poor man's Kirilenko. I think he could be a reliable performer if given the chance to start. He's tougher than Fields, which would help compensate for Bargnani's wimpiness on defense, and he can be a cutter probably just as well as Fields too, and this seems to be Field's only good offensive move. And with Kleiza starting, the Raps' starting offense would be quite potent. It's not like Kleiza has never started games before. Why elevate Anderson above him so quick. But demote Fields for sure. He deserves it by now. Lousy preseason, lousy first week. How much are you gonna tolerate without losing the respect of the other players?

    Give Kleiza the chance he deserves after looking great against the NBA Olympic team. If Anderson is given the starters job now it might blow his mind and ruin his game. Only other choice is DeRozan and try Ross at the 3. That'd be worth a try for a game or two to see what happens.

    I also think Casey should try starting Lucas tonight and see if Calderone can develop into a lethal sixth man. His shooting has looked great so far this season.

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    Who are the Raptors cutting? The roster is full.

    Personally, I really like McGuire. He is a specialist capable of guarding 2 through 4.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Who are the Raptors cutting? The roster is full.

    Personally, I really like McGuire. He is a specialist capable of guarding 2 through 4.
    Agreed. Although a very small sample size, I think McGuire has made a case to be starting. Yes, Alan Anderson has been much better offensively, but I like what Anderson brings off the bench.
    McGuire looked really comfortable on the offensive end last night (albeit, in a blowout), and he is better defensively than Fields and Anderson. Unfortunately, I don't see Fields being put down to third on the depth chart at SF (behind McGuire and Anderson), even though Casey says contracts don't matter.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Who are the Raptors cutting? The roster is full.
    Can we cut Landry? Is it too late? Isn't there a This-Guy-Is-Fucking-Awful clause in the contract? 90 days or 90 minutes type of deal

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Can we cut Landry? Is it too late? Isn't there a This-Guy-Is-Fucking-Awful clause in the contract? 90 days or 90 minutes type of deal
    there def. should be a clause in the new CBA... lets just hope BC has some magic left after the Turk dumping...if fields dont turn it around we have got to get out of that contract FAST! its painfull to watch!

    & what the F&$K happened to lucas III its like the clock struck midnight & he turned back into a scrub LOL Jose's goin to need those icey hot patches real soon if lowry is out for long..
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Who are the Raptors cutting? The roster is full.
    Maybe they can move 3 or 4 of their current wing guys for one guy that can play in the NBA.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Personally, I really like McGuire. He is a specialist capable of guarding 2 through 4.
    i could get behind this. he's not going to be effective with the backups (they can't score) and could guard the opposite team's best player.

    For instance, last night they could have stuck him on Mayo and let Demar cover Collison (while not great on D, he seems to do ok against shorter players) and stuck caldy on Crowder. If Mayo was actually being defended, would they have taken that huge first quarter lead?
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    I just wished Colangelo would now admit how much he effed up on that Fields signing. Pretty obvious he signed the guy to block the Knicks from getting Nash. I don't think they're that really high on him.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I just wished Colangelo would now admit how much he effed up on that Fields signing. Pretty obvious he signed the guy to block the Knicks from getting Nash. I don't think they're that really high on him.
    Which is terrible if true because if that worked and we did get Nash, it'd would've been a waaaay worse move than bringing in Lowry. BC is just one big joke and really lucked out in Phoenix

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Which is terrible if true because if that worked and we did get Nash, it'd would've been a waaaay worse move than bringing in Lowry. BC is just one big joke and really lucked out in Phoenix
    I don't necessarily think thats entirely the case. I do think a huge part of his success in Phoenix was due to his fathers influence, but BC still deserves credit for making decisions.

    When he came to Toronto he had something to prove (ie. it was him not his dad who built a successful Phoenix squad) but the combination of the loss of his dad's influence (on players and staff) and his ego (proving himself) has hindered BC.

    He keeps trying to rebuild while still being good, something that only the superior markets (LA, Dallas etc) have been able to do. He refuses to believe that his ideas aren't working out or aren't going to work out, and then even goes so far as to double or triple down on them (Bosh, Bargnani, Demar, retooling etc).

    What he should have been doing after Bosh left was cleaning house, and he didn't do that. Instead he eliminated some outside peices, while leaving the core intact and then went out and said 'hey I can still win now while building for the future just like I did in 2006' (which ofcourse he did not succeed in doing). While not impossible, its also not the most feasible route given Toronto's market.

    Its just unfortunate that this team had a perfect opportunity to start over, specifically last year. Bargnani had his 13 game run which had to increase his trade value to its peak to date. Demar was still on his rookie deal and could have been given every opportunity to prove his worth before being resigned. The team was going to be bad in a great draft year and could have moved more peices early to be worse by season's end. The team had a lot of cap flexibility to do things like attempt to trade for more first round picks.

    Instead the team is still sitting on giant holes, inconsistent peices, and less ability than they've had in years to make significant moves. Its great having Lowry and Val as the future of this team... but Colangelo (or whoever is here in the future) is still going to need these two players success to overlap + have talent beside them at the time.

    Colangelo's only saving grace right now is his willingness to gamble big - something he will almost absolutely need to do. Unfortunately he's not sitting on a good track record while at the casino.

    But I just don't see the 'wing situation' being to be addressed unless Colangelo is willing to move Bargnani, or something positive clicks internally (Fields improves, Demar busts out, Ross becomes a game changer). I'm not willing to bet on any of those right now.

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    Man I wish the NBA had a 90 day return policy like Wal-Mart. We found ourselves a defective product in Fields.
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