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    Default Vince Carter would like to have his Raptors jersey retired...

    http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...y-retired.html

    To be honest, do we really hate Vince Carter that much anymore? I mean there are still people who hold a huge grudge against him for throwing out games, not playing 100% each games, quitting the Raptors and his attitude in genearl. I used to really hate Carter especially since he was my childhood hero when I was still in elementary school and I hated to see him go in such a way. But as I grow older (not that old but you get the point), the hatred sorta died off and I just don't really have much hatred for him as much as I used to. Booing Carter just doesn't have that satisfaction anymore. I guess you could say I forgive him or don't really care much about it anymore. Does anyone else feel this way? If so, do you think we should retire his jersey? Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that he's easily the best player to ever wear a Raptor uniform.

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    No, I do not think we should retire his jersey. I used to love the guy too, I even still rooted for him in Jersey. But he had a terrible reputation with "leadership" and "effort" even long before he left, never won any major awards, and never even took us to the conference finals. Hang that jersey and it sets a terrible precedent for "success" in Toronto. The Raptors haven't even hit there first truly proud era, yet. It will happen.

    Hopefully JV can retire with a retired jersey or heaven forbid even an NBA title (2021-22 Champs?)

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    Yes. I think they should retire or honour his jersey. He's easily the greatest Raptors of all time. And the guy singlehandedly put Toronto and Canada in the NBA map.

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    i rather retire calderons jersey.. and im no big calderon fan but he is a straight pro.. and how many number 15's have we had since he left? only garbo comes to mind but aren't there any others

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    Amir and I agree for Jose... I'd rather retire Jose and I would not retire Jose as of now so that being said I would not retire Vince... At least for now

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    Enough VC threads...
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    oh ya duh amir.. and no i wouldn't retire it now but say he stayed a few more solid seasons then ya.. he's the most loyal professional player we've had who puts up solid numbers every year under the radar... also the teams all time assist leader

    again no jose dick rider by any means.. just sayin i rather see his jersey go up than VC.. i dont hate him but we shouldn't reward him with the honour
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Yes. I think they should retire or honour his jersey. He's easily the greatest Raptors of all time. And the guy singlehandedly put Toronto and Canada in the NBA map.


    Yeah he put them on the map, and he just as quickly took them off it. This guy paid no respect to the Raptors, he had a disagreement with his bosses and he quit til they shipped him out of town. Why should they hang his jersey for eternity? Retiring jerseys is for players that lead sustained periods of greatness and win championships, not for some clown dunker who never got out of the second round.

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    I would rather retire Calderon's jersey than VC's.

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    To be honest, do we really hate Vince Carter that much anymore?
    Yes.
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    Besides, retiring a jersey should be about more than just having had a nice dunk fest for a couple of years and 1 playoff round won. Wait til we actually have a legit team that goes deep in the post season or a real franchise player who actually leads us somewhere.
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    VC represents everything that has gone wrong with this franchise. Wanna-be stars with poor leadership who quit on the team to play elsewhere. VC could have changed the course of this franchise if he had played hard, let Bosh develop and formed a great inside-outside duo that could have changed everything. Instead he tanked, drove his value into the ground, then suddenly remembered how good he could be once he was traded to New Jersery.

    VC will continue to represent evil for many fans, and to retire his jersey would be a disgusting act of publicity and nothing more.

    I don't think anyone in Raptors history deserves to have their jersey retired. A case could be made for Jose if he re-signs for less and continues to be a good back-up for another 3 years, but even then, he would be getting in as a character guy rather than an all-time great. You want your number retired, then put a couple of banners up there first.

    If we were to consider any of the former Raps, I'd put Bosh ahead of VC anyway. Bosh at least led the team to a division title and played hard the whole time.
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    Quote theycallmeZZ wrote: View Post
    Enough VC threads...
    +1 in the past 2 days we've had enough to make an everything wince thread.

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    my VC hate has softened a great deal over the years..... but FUCK NO

    for what? getting media attention? for being the best player on a middle of the pack at best team? for winning a dunk competition?

    i can only think of a few good reasons to retire somebody's jersey...

    1. the player is the best player on a (at the very least) very good team... ie/ Payton, if the Sonics still existed...

    2. the player's name and the team are almost synonymous.. the player contributed greatly and helped define the identity of the team for a significant period of time.. ie/ Pippen in Chicago

    3. rings

    1 & 3 dont exist here..

    and VC does not fall into 2... hell, he was actually contradictory to what the team culture was at the time he was here... the raps were a blue collar gritty team... he was flashy

    if anybody gets retired in Toronto... it should be Alvin Williams

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...y-retired.html

    To be honest, do we really hate Vince Carter that much anymore?
    No

    Its so funny how these guys go from being brash arrogant diva's to humble omg-what-did-i-do boys at the end of their run.

    VC knows its almost over and is starting to think of life after ball his best years were in Toronto and NJ. NJ is gone... so
    "I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    No, I do not think we should retire his jersey. I used to love the guy too, I even still rooted for him in Jersey. But he had a terrible reputation with "leadership" and "effort" even long before he left, never won any major awards, and never even took us to the conference finals. Hang that jersey and it sets a terrible precedent for "success" in Toronto. The Raptors haven't even hit there first truly proud era, yet. It will happen.

    Hopefully JV can retire with a retired jersey or heaven forbid even an NBA title (2021-22 Champs?)
    Bingo. He just hasn't accomplished anything worthy of hanging from the rafters. That distinction is for hall-of-fame calibre players. Vince isn't in that tier. He'll forever be remembered as a player who failed to live up to expectations.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Bingo. He just hasn't accomplished anything worthy of hanging from the rafters. That distinction is for hall-of-fame calibre players. Vince isn't in that tier. He'll forever be remembered as a player who failed to live up to expectations.
    i have to dissagree...hate VC all u want..i cant say i like him much either but..he did as much for the Raptors as Sundin did for the Leafs & Mats jersey is hanging from our rafters & he will soon be in the HHOF..VC was a great player for us..his attitude wasnt good in the end but id have to say in hindsight it was half VC's attitude & half Babcocks stupidity

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    i have to dissagree...hate VC all u want..i cant say i like him much either but..he did as much for the Raptors as Sundin did for the Leafs & Mats jersey is hanging from our rafters & he will soon be in the HHOF..VC was a great player for us..his attitude wasnt good in the end but id have to say in hindsight it was half VC's attitude & half Babcocks stupidity
    Sundin played 13 seasons in Toronto and was the heart & soul (and captain) for basically his whole time here. And this is coming from a Habs fan :|

    We can't say the same about Carter. I would say most of Carter's success is directly attributed to Oakley and Willis riding him.

    Not hating on the guy. Just saying that IMO, no Raptor player (past or present) is deserving of having his number retired.
    Last edited by Nilanka; Thu Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:47 AM.
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    I would like Carter to choke on deez nuts but I don't see that happening anytime either. If they decide to raise his jersey to the rafters I'm buying a ticket just so I can go and boo my head off.

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    Absolutely retire his Jersey. Best player to ever wear it.

    As far as "HATE" goes, I can't bring myself to hate someone I don't know. It takes to much effort and emotion to hate someone. Its business and people should get over it. Vince was vintage last night though (minus the beard).
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