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  • #31
    The season just started and 3 out of the 4 losses they endured were very competitive as well as they are just 1.5 games from a playoffs spot.

    No panic yet but if they don't improve in the next 10 games then it maybe time to make some radical changes.

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    • #32
      The Mavs aren't "pathetic" by any means. Sample size is too small for doom-and-gloom, but on the other hand, what in the hell do you expect when Lowry is the closest thing to a really good player on this roster?

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      • #33
        No need to panic yet. I love the raps but we're honestly not that good compared to other playoff teams. That, and we're getting nothing out of the 3 spot. Kleiza needs to come back with a vengeance or else we'll be stuck with Fields and his no-shot-hittin-mangina killin us every night. Bargs seems lost, what with the recent emergence or Lowry and Derozan and legitimate scoring threats and having the ball more in their hands. He needs to man up, but if history is any indication, we'll be waiting a while.

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        • #34
          It's not that they're forgetting defense, it's just that they have Bargnani, Fields and Derozan on the court together to start. It didn't help that Jose started with them last game too. I don't think even Thibs would get this line-up to play top 10 defensively.

          We have to understand that last year, the pace was very slow, teams were tanking & Bargnani was out of the line-up for majority of the season. Ed and Amir together make a better defensive line-up than one featuring Bargnani.
          “I don’t create controversies. They’re there long before I open my mouth. I just bring them to your attention.”

          -- Charles Barkley

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          • #35
            Mack North wrote: View Post
            At the same time, without guys like Horry, none of those guys would have chips.
            A better perspective on guys like Robert Horry is that without franchise guys like Kobe/Shaq/Duncan/Parker, guys like Horry might go through an entire 16-year career without ever playing a single meaningful NBA game.
            your pal,
            ebrian

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            • #36
              KeonClark wrote: View Post
              Why is everybody THIS hard on Bargs? Like he didn't have the best game on the team last night....at least he's able to score 15 every single night, we only have 2 other guys capable of that, and you need at least 3. If we just ship Bargs off because off his "lazy" play or whatever, hope we enjoy going back to scoring less than 90 a night.
              I'm sure 99% of the league could score 15 points on 15 attempts. The only guys who couldn't would be Reggie Evans and DeAndre Jordan (EDIT): and Landry Fields.
              Last edited by Nilanka; Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:46 AM.

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              • #37
                Come on now - DeAndre has a real shot of scoring 15 even if he just throws around dunk attempts. Imagine a dunk attempt from outside the paint. Yes - at least 30 % of those should go in > than Fields

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                • #38
                  Dre hasn't played nearly as bad as it's being made out to be. The guy has missed a ton of wide open looks that he normally would hit. Once his confidence is back (seems like it in the second half of Dallas game) he'll be alright. He's never gonna be a work horse out there gobbling up rebounds and playing stellar D but he's a player that can mesh well with JV, Lowry, Demar and a defensive wing (hopefully Fields can be that guy). Lowry and Jose are polar opposites offensively so give him some time to figure things out with Lowry and please no more talk about him coming off the bench.

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                  • #39
                    Nilanka wrote: View Post
                    I'm sure 99% of the league could score 15 points on 15 attempts. The only guys who couldn't would be Reggie Evans and DeAndre Jordan (EDIT): and Landry Fields.
                    The edit took the humor of this to a whole different level. If dont on purpose well done! lol

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                    • #40
                      Nilanka wrote: View Post
                      I'm sure 99% of the league could score 15 points on 15 attempts. The only guys who couldn't would be Reggie Evans and DeAndre Jordan (EDIT): and Landry Fields.
                      Can 99% of the league score 15 every single night? No. In fact, nobody can on the Raptors except Lowry, Derozan and Andrea.
                      9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum

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                      • #41
                        only 1 starter

                        the problem is:
                        the starters: out of the 5 starters we have now, only 1 is a legit starter in an average nba team (Lowry)...
                        the others are at their best spot players(Bargnani would be on the floor only when a scoring punch is needed),rotation players(Derozan),bench players(Val) or d-leaguers (Fields)
                        the bench: only Calderon is in his natural role like pg backup... the others would be at their best bench players out of the rotation or d-leaguers...
                        is not easy to compete in the nba with only one starter on the roster...

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                        • #42
                          makokid wrote: View Post
                          the problem is:
                          the starters: out of the 5 starters we have now, only 1 is a legit starter in an average nba team (Lowry)...
                          the others are at their best spot players(Bargnani would be on the floor only when a scoring punch is needed),rotation players(Derozan),bench players(Val) or d-leaguers (Fields)
                          the bench: only Calderon is in his natural role like pg backup... the others would be at their best bench players out of the rotation or d-leaguers...
                          is not easy to compete in the nba with only one starter on the roster...
                          With only one starter who is injured now However I don't fully agree because Amir is a GREAT big off the bench and Derozan is not that bad of a starter (he isn't Kobe or Wade but he is like Young,Willie and Gerald Green minus the 3 point shooting)

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                          • #43
                            makokid wrote: View Post
                            the problem is:
                            the starters: out of the 5 starters we have now, only 1 is a legit starter in an average nba team (Lowry)...
                            the others are at their best spot players(Bargnani would be on the floor only when a scoring punch is needed),rotation players(Derozan),bench players(Val) or d-leaguers (Fields)
                            the bench: only Calderon is in his natural role like pg backup... the others would be at their best bench players out of the rotation or d-leaguers...
                            is not easy to compete in the nba with only one starter on the roster...
                            What? Derozan and Bargnani, though they are often disrespected, are "average" starters. Amir Johnson is a quality bench player, Ed Davis is not a terrible bench player. Let's not over exaggerate to make this team pathetic.
                            9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum

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                            • #44
                              p00ka wrote: View Post
                              It's not at all surprising that some fans are hitting the panic button, but I'd be disappointed if anyone in the organization is. Unless you come in with a veteran team, most of whom have played together for a while, it takes about 20 games before you know what you've got. Look at the Lakers as a prime example. Even without 1 HOFer in the line-up, they still trot out 3 HOFers in the starting line-up, and a 3 time DPOY manning the middle, and have the same bloody pissy record as the Raps, from a softer schedule to date.

                              Panic? Hell, one sure way to marginalize the organization to players, coaches, GMs throughout the league, as well as most fans and local media, is to hit the panic button after 5 games. They've got a very tough schedule ahead of them, but let's see how they look after another 15 games. The last time they had a team that made some noise, in 2006-07, they started out 2-8, winding up 7-13 after 20, then went on to a 47-35 record. This is not the time to panic, unless you're a fan and that works for you.
                              Well, after firing Brown, it sure looks like the Lakers are panicking now...

                              The Raptors have even less room for error because we don't have the talent to easily climb out of a deep hole in the standings.

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                              • #45
                                KeonClark wrote: View Post
                                What? Derozan and Bargnani, though they are often disrespected, are "average" starters. Amir Johnson is a quality bench player, Ed Davis is not a terrible bench player. Let's not over exaggerate to make this team pathetic.
                                Amir is not big enough to be a C and not talented enough to be a PF so i would say he is a bench player for limited minutes in an average team... Ed Davis is very similar to Amir but with a little bit higher basketball IQ and a little bit less muscles... so the point is: this team is a sub par nba team and make below average players starters or rotation players to fill the roster passing them off like a talented group of young players in order to sell tickets... in the game with OKC they won the game playing seriously only one quarter and a half and with Dallas they have lost playing against second units...

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