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    Default Brian Colangelo's legacy in Toronto

    Roy Hibbert and LaMarcus Aldridge? NAAAHHH I want this guy..


    Here are some hi-lights the most egregious of all (not posted) is drafting Bargs over Chris Bosh's high school pal LaMarcus Aldridge. 20pts/8reb %50 fgp 3 years and running.

    Colangelo has tied his wagon to Bargs and made up the whole roster to support his perimeter style of play from the power forwards to the coaches right on down. When BC leaves town (sooner rather than later now I hope) it will be because that first critical move of Drafting Bargs.

    September 12 2012 - Signed forward Dominic McGuire
    July 11 2012 - signed guard Landry Fields to an offer sheet.{omgthismayendhim}

    December 12 2011 - Signed guard Anthony Carter.
    December 11 2011 - Signed center Aaron Gray
    December 10 2011 - signed forward Rasual Butler. {fail}
    November 20 2010 - JJack and Marcus Banks / David Andersen -> Hornets for Jerryd Bayless & Peja Stojakovic.
    July 8 2010 - signed center Solomon Alabi {fail}

    August 18 2009 - Traded Carlos Delfino / Roko Leni Ukic Bucks -> Amir Johnson / S Weems.
    July 21 2009 - Signed guard Jarrett Jack (one of his best moves IMO gave up nothing)
    July 4 2009 - Signed Hedo Turkoglu $54M {fail}
    May 11 2009 - Signed head coach Jay Triano to a contract extension.{fail}

    December 14 2008 - Signed center Jake Voskuhl.{fail}
    December 3 2008 - Fired head coach Sam Mitchell and named Jay Triano interim head coach.{fail}
    July 28 2008 - Signed guard Willie Solomon.{fail}
    July 16 2008 - Signed guard Roko Leni Ukic.{fail}
    July 9 2008 - Traded TJ Ford, forward Maceo Baston, center Radoslav Nesterovic &Roy Hibbert to the Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal & Nathan Jawai; {hugeepicfail}
    July 8 2008 - Signed guard Hassan Adams.
    Draft 2008 - Selected center Roy Hibbert (17th overall pick).
    October 31 2007 - Signed forward Kris Humphries to a contract extension.
    Signed forward Maceo Baston.
    July 11 2007 - Signed forward Jason Kapono {fail}
    July 10 2007 - Signed forward Jamario Moon
    May 22 2007 - Signed head coach Sam Mitchell to a contract extension.{fail}
    October 31 2006 - Signed guard TJ Ford to a contract extension{fail}
    July 27 2006 - Signed forward Uros Slokar.{fail}
    July 26 2006 - Signed guard Fred Jones {fail}
    July 25 2006 - Signed forward PJ Tucker.
    July 24 2006 - Signed forward Jorge Garbajosa.
    July 13 2006 Signed guard Anthony Parker and waived guard Andre Barrett.

    BC I used to be a fan but now I am done... go away.
    Last edited by charlz; Fri Nov 9th, 2012 at 01:06 PM.
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    Those are some stinkers, but trading away Hedo and managing to get Lowry bring things back a little bit

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    its funny, but for all the issues at SF we've had over the years, and yet we traded away a guy like Delfino who's actually quite effective. I never really understood what happened there.
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    we had chris bosh as our pf why draft aldrige ???the only prob is thinking bargs was a center

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    *BRYAN Colangelo's legacy will be two Daniel Stern trophies(once they rename it in 10 years). Until then he'll keep selling us on crap every year.

    Can we please stop with the Roy Hibbert pick. He wasn't likely to be our pick anyways, we drafted him only to trade him for JO who was a proven commodity back then.

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    Quote ab7 wrote: View Post
    we had chris bosh as our pf why draft aldrige ???the only prob is thinking bargs was a center
    Not drafting a player, especially when you are in the lottery let alone the #1 pick, because you have someone else already at that position should never be a reason or an excuse. This entire scenario is a great example of why.

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    *BRYAN Colangelo's legacy will be two Daniel Stern trophies(once they rename it in 10 years). Until then he'll keep selling us on crap every year.

    Can we please stop with the Roy Hibbert pick. He wasn't likely to be our pick anyways, we drafted him only to trade him for JO who was a proven commodity back then.
    What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

    There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.

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    I can't find an article confirming, but I seem to remember that Aldridge came out and said he wasn't interested in coming to Toronto, so drafting a 7 foot sharp-shooter with better athleticism than Dirk was the only choice to make. Even if LA hadn't made those comments, drafting Bargnani was the right pick at the time. Hindsight with drafting is too easy. Technically speaking, I'd argue that the player to draft from that class should have been Rajon Rondo, but I would have been laughed at if I had tried to argue him for the top pick back then.

    You could also add Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry to that discussion (and Brandon Roy if you don't count injuries). Either way, the Raps picked at the top of one of the weakest drafts ever. Can't knock them for taking one of the 5 (or 6 if you count Roy) best players in that draft. That is still a heck of a lot better than a lot of top picks. I'm sure there were people back then who wanted Adam Morrison taking #1, so at least BC got that one right.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    its funny, but for all the issues at SF we've had over the years, and yet we traded away a guy like Delfino who's actually quite effective. I never really understood what happened there.
    But the Delfino deal was one of the better moves. Amir and Sonny fit well into the young athletic mold the team was building, and both still do. Bring back Sonny!!
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    dont forget Rondo was in bargs draft too..& Sonny is a scrub..he can stay were he is

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

    There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.
    I thought we drafted Hibbert because that was who Indiana had the hots for!

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    I thought we drafted Hibbert because that was who Indiana had the hots for!
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure we picked Hibbert on Pacers' behalf.
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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

    There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.
    hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league
    Precisely. I forget the other names being bandied about for us at the time, but I recall them saying he wasn't really in our mix.

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    Notable players drafted after Hibbert in 2008:

    - JaVale McGee
    - JJ Hickson
    - Ryan Anderson
    - Courtney Lee
    - Serge Ibaka
    - Nic Batum
    - George Hill
    - DeAndre Jordan
    - Omer Asik
    - Luc Mbah A Moute
    - Goran Dragic
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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league
    and so therefore there was no chance Hibbert would have been selected?

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure we picked Hibbert on Pacers' behalf.
    The Raptors traded the draft rights to the 17th pick. Which basically meant they were selecting for Indiana and then the trade would happen after the draft took place (as Toronto was forced to make a 1st round selection due to NBA rules).

    My point though was it really doesn't matter that Toronto selected for Indiana. Had Toronto not traded the pick they'd still have had the option of drafting Hibbert, and thereby still traded the option of drafting Hibbert. Given Toronto's desire for a C at the time, the idea of drafting Hibbert isn't exactly a long shot. While Toronto may not have drafted him, they may have aswell. No one can say one way or the other as it never took place. (and anyone who says Hibbert wasn't talked about, we can just point to Ross, Ed and Val... none of which were in any serious discussion of being drafted until the draft took place)

    One can either look at it as Toronto traded the option of selecting Hibbert, or traded the 17th pick (which was Hibbert himself). In the end its 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    The Raptors traded the draft rights to the 17th pick. Which basically meant they were selecting for Indiana and then the trade would happen after the draft took place (as Toronto was forced to make a 1st round selection due to NBA rules).

    My point though was it really doesn't matter that Toronto selected for Indiana. Had Toronto not traded the pick they'd still have had the option of drafting Hibbert, and thereby still traded the option of drafting Hibbert. Given Toronto's desire for a C at the time, the idea of drafting Hibbert isn't exactly a long shot. While Toronto may not have drafted him, they may have aswell. No one can say one way or the other as it never took place. (and anyone who says Hibbert wasn't talked about, we can just point to Ross, Ed and Val... none of which were in any serious discussion of being drafted until the draft took place)

    One can either look at it as Toronto traded the option of selecting Hibbert, or traded the 17th pick (which was Hibbert himself). In the end its 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.
    I don't disagree. Now matter how we look at it, Colangelo traded a 1st round pick for a player who was gone before the end of the year.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't disagree. Now matter how we look at it, Colangelo traded a 1st round pick for a player who was gone before the end of the year.
    just to add some salt to the wound:

    1)1st round pick for O'neal

    2)O'neal for a Marion Rental

    3)S&T Marion for Hedo

    1st round pick for the rights to pay Hedo 10 mil a year

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