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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    amazing!

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    Hayward vs Demar should be a nice match up as both will look to put the other in foul trouble. Really hoping for Mo Williams to have an off night shooting the ball as Jose won't be able to get around those picks by the Jazz bigs. Article on Kleiza was a nice read and fingers crossed that it's another similar outing for him tonight off the bench.

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    I think Kleiza hates mormons so he kills the Jazz whenever he can. LOL

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    I think Kleiza hates mormons so he kills the Jazz whenever he can. LOL



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    I don't recall Marvin Williams ever using his size to dominate anyone. Perhaps we're giving him too much credit based on nothing more than his measurements. With Mo Williams healthy, Marvin is easily the 5th option for Utah. Tonight, he's barely above Tinsley in the pecking order (a guy who played 40 minutes on Saturday and didn't score a single point).
    M Williams, this year:

    - 1st game, vs Dallas/Marion: 29 minutes, 7/13, 5/5 FTs, 21 pts, 3 RBs, 1 STL, 1 BLK
    - In 24 minutes vs LAL/Metta WP (massive compared to Ross), 4/7, 3/3FTs, 11 pts, 4 RBs, 2 Stls
    - Last game vs Phx/Beasley, 5/10, 13 pts, 7 RBs

    All of those guys with much more experience, and MUCH more size and strength than TRoss. Put TRoss out there against Williams and Corbin will have Williams posting up every play and he'll likely be 1st or 2nd option all night.

    Look, Ross isn't built like a LeBron. He's very slight right now and the coach has to pick his spots where he throws Ross to the wolves. Kobe,,,,,, KOBE for heaven's sake, played in 2 games (14,17) over 8 minutes in his first 10, and by the end of the year, only averaged 15 minutes. Was his progress hampered by bringing him along one step at a time?

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    Lets pray for this (5% probability).

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    M Williams, this year:

    - 1st game, vs Dallas/Marion: 29 minutes, 7/13, 5/5 FTs, 21 pts, 3 RBs, 1 STL, 1 BLK
    - In 24 minutes vs LAL/Metta WP (massive compared to Ross), 4/7, 3/3FTs, 11 pts, 4 RBs, 2 Stls
    - Last game vs Phx/Beasley, 5/10, 13 pts, 7 RBs

    All of those guys with much more experience, and MUCH more size and strength than TRoss. Put TRoss out there against Williams and Corbin will have Williams posting up every play and he'll likely be 1st or 2nd option all night.

    Look, Ross isn't built like a LeBron. He's very slight right now and the coach has to pick his spots where he throws Ross to the wolves. Kobe,,,,,, KOBE for heaven's sake, played in 2 games (14,17) over 8 minutes in his first 10, and by the end of the year, only averaged 15 minutes. Was his progress hampered by bringing him along one step at a time?
    Ross would have a tough time with Williams size agreed.

    Good comparison to Kobe's development and playing time in year one. Someone might point out that Kobe was a teenager (18 I believe) and coming out of high school while Ross is 21...

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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post

    Lets pray for this (5% probability).
    I forgot how much more athletic he was back then...

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    Yeah I'm all about giving the rooks time but if you put Ross in the starting lineup already it's like saying you're giving up on the season. Ross hasn't been nearly consistent enough, in garbage time at that. At least with DM you know you're gonna get defense and rebounding.
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    Ross would have a tough time with Williams size agreed.

    Good comparison to Kobe's development and playing time in year one. Someone might point out that Kobe was a teenager (18 I believe) and coming out of high school while Ross is 21...
    I don't see age being such a big factor as is playing against boys vs men, particularly when a rookie has such little meat on him. My point is that not every rookie is a LeBron or a Dwight, and some need to be brought along slowly. The Raps feel they're in a position to bring Ross along slowly, and from what I've seen to date, it seems like a wise choice, and I fail to see any sense in getting up in arms over his playing time, 6 games into the season.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    M Williams, this year:

    - 1st game, vs Dallas/Marion: 29 minutes, 7/13, 5/5 FTs, 21 pts, 3 RBs, 1 STL, 1 BLK
    - In 24 minutes vs LAL/Metta WP (massive compared to Ross), 4/7, 3/3FTs, 11 pts, 4 RBs, 2 Stls
    - Last game vs Phx/Beasley, 5/10, 13 pts, 7 RBs

    All of those guys with much more experience, and MUCH more size and strength than TRoss. Put TRoss out there against Williams and Corbin will have Williams posting up every play and he'll likely be 1st or 2nd option all night.

    Look, Ross isn't built like a LeBron. He's very slight right now and the coach has to pick his spots where he throws Ross to the wolves. Kobe,,,,,, KOBE for heaven's sake, played in 2 games (14,17) over 8 minutes in his first 10, and by the end of the year, only averaged 15 minutes. Was his progress hampered by bringing him along one step at a time?
    Sorry p00ka, you'll need more than a few hand-selected boxscores to convince me that Williams is a threat on the floor (you ignored the 4 other games this year where he completely stunk). Is he bigger and stronger that Ross? Of course he is.

    Can DeRozan check Williams while Ross checks Hayward? Sure, why not?

    Nobody is suggesting that not playing Ross is somehow ruining his career. I'm simply saying that there's no reason NOT to play him, especially when the alternative is a 15th man in McGuire.

    If the Lakers were a lottery team in 1996-97, then yes, they would've been stupid not to play Kobe.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Sorry p00ka, you'll need more than a few hand-selected boxscores to convince me that Williams is a threat on the floor (you ignored the 4 other games this year where he completely stunk). Is he bigger and stronger that Ross? Of course he is.

    Can DeRozan check Williams while Ross checks Hayward? Sure, why not?

    Nobody is suggesting that not playing Ross is somehow ruining his career. I'm simply saying that there's no reason NOT to play him, especially when the alternative is a 15th man in McGuire.

    If the Lakers were a lottery team in 1996-97, then yes, they would've been stupid not to play Kobe.
    The selected games were not meant as any kind of proof that Williams is a beast, but to point out that with his size, strength, and experience, he's more than capable of holding his own against guys with much more size, strength, and experience than Ross at this point. Williams could eat him up right now, no matter what Ross will become in the future.

    As far "no reason NOT to play him", there's a thing called confidence, that can be a fragile thing even for vets in pro sports, never mind a rookie looking as tentative as Ross has looked so far. He'll get there, man. The minutes will come, but not now, not in a situation like that. The reason is the coach likely feels the need to put him in situations where he at least has a chance to succeed, not throw him out there against a guy that could destroy him, with precious little chance to succeed at this point.

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    I can't wait for the play where Valanciunas is trying to block out Jefferson and Milsap at the same time while Bargnani star gazes and Jefferson gets the rebound and scores. Then we'll hear, "tough night for the rookie out there".

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    I don't see age being such a big factor as is playing against boys vs men, particularly when a rookie has such little meat on him. My point is that not every rookie is a LeBron or a Dwight, and some need to be brought along slowly. The Raps feel they're in a position to bring Ross along slowly, and from what I've seen to date, it seems like a wise choice, and I fail to see any sense in getting up in arms over his playing time, 6 games into the season.
    No question he's slight but those 3 years are a huge difference in experience and maturity. While I do agree with your point about bring them along slowly I don't see a difference in Ross and Demar when he was a rookie (accept Ross isn't as raw as Demar was). Not up in arms just believe he should be logging more minutes.

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    Not sure if this has been said, but apparently McGuire will be starting in place of Fields, and not Kleiza ... Could be a good decision actually. Need someone out there who won't be taking shots away from the guys who should be taking them (and if they DO, they won't bobble them, or shoot only when they have it).
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    Will be a tough game for everybody I guess. I hope Kleiza does his usual damage to the Jazz, but I don't know if he's gonna be ok mentally. Heard rumors his girlfriend had a miscarriage or something, I mean they lost their baby and that's why he was missing games and he hasn't been very focused in general so far this season as they were aware of pregnancy complications for a while before it got out of hand... man if that's true, it's tough. I mean this is only basketball at the end of the day...

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    McGuire seriously shoots it the first time he gets it?? Bad sign.
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    Jonas has GREAT hands .. can't believe he caught that.

    ADD: Leo pointing that out now.
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    Lol did Matt devlin just say Demar was the only starter not to take a shart?

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    Shhh ... Nobody say anything ... about the score... and how well certain players are playing.

    Just enjoy it.
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