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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    - both were top-10 draft picks in strong drafts

    - both are inefficient volume scorers, who have been inconsistent in their execution so far in their careers

    - both are below average in key areas typically associated with traditional players at their positions (Bargnani-rebounding, DeRozan-3pt shooting)

    - both have struggled to provide significant, consistent secondary stats (ie: rebounding, assists, steals)

    - both are below average defenders at their position

    - both have been forced to become #1 (or #1a/1b) scoring options for their team, when they have neither the skillset or personality to be a #1 guy

    - both have been marketed as the cornerstone / face of the franchise, which only heaps on even more unjustified expectations that they shouldn't be forced to bear

    - neither has shown significant year-over-year improvements, certainly not with any sustained consistency

    - both were rewarded with ~$10M annual contracts, based more on their age/skill/potential equation, than because of actual sustained performances worthy of ~$10M per year
    Yup. This sums it up perfectly.
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    what makes me laugh is when I hear guys talk about trading demar so ross can start lol.
    People who suggest this aren't saying that Ross is better than DeMar.
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    Demar biggest problem has been that he hasn't had a good environment to grow in. Who was he supposed to learn from? Bosh on the way out the door? Bargnani? The team has had no credible leader for the young guys to learn from and emulate. Lowry might be that guy (so far so good) and that will help Demar and JV and Ross develop when they see what it takes for a guy to be a high quality NBA player. I guarantee that if Demar was drafted by the Spurs he would be a better player already, learning from Duncan, Parker and Ginobli.
    Thanks for having my back Axel. I agree with you, just didn't know how to word it. guess you did it for me.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    The recent disdain for DeRozan is quite similar to the hate that's been spewed at Bargnani for the past several seasons. In fact, I see quite a few comparisons between the two of them.


    - both were top-10 draft picks in strong drafts

    I'm not trying to defend Bargs (pissed at his uninspired play) but 2006 was one of the weakest of the last decade.

    Especially the top 10.

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    The only expectations Demar is failing are the unreasonable expectations everyone seems to be piling on him, he's not VC. It's not like he's shown flashes of All-Star potential like Bargs did last year. Demar seems to have improved quite a bit and while I don't agree with the contract BC gave him, he talks of wanting to improve.

    Not sure how much weight to put into it, but I think having Triano as the head coach really hurt the development of Demar IMO.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    So we have been complaining for a couple years now since DD was drafted that he has not lived up to all the hypes of the Young Ones, Young Gunz, Vince Carter comparisons and all that. Now he is playing the best basketball of his young career and already fans are talking or suggesting that he be traded because his value will be at it's highest.

    If he continues to play the way he is, the we got him for a steal at $40 mil. instead of going through free agency and that would be a great move by BC. And give the guy credit for playing his heart out after getting that huge contract. I think it was Casey who said that Demar will play even harder now that he has the contract because he want to prove that he deserved it. BUT If BC didn't resign him and he played well all season, people would say that he played well because it was a contract year and get even more upset if he leaves to go to another team instead of resigning with us. He is in a no win situation with us Raps fans.

    I know everyone is talking about Rudy Gay but we know that if Rudy comes to Town it will be because of the Money not the City or the Team for the Fans. Demar loves the city. He loves the Fans and he Lover the organization and he especially love the team. Instead of showing him that we want him out of town, why not show him that we appreciate him trying his hardest and show him some love.

    Don't forget guys, if you know that people in a specific company don't like you or don't want you there and you have a chance to work there, will you go? I know that I would not. We are better than that.
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    Go DeMar Go! Go Raps Go!
    Watch nuthin, bruv...I see you, still. Perfectly. It's why I don't even bother no more, king. I see some stupid comments, sometimes, and I jus laugh. Fans know fans, so I jus gravitate to the positive shit. DeMar was a 9th pick, not top 5, so I'm pleased with his EXPECTED development and even more thrilled by his commitment to get better. We are in a new generation in life and sports. We want quick fixes like a shot at the bar, instead of a beer. We get trade happy like a man in Las Vegas addicted to gambling. To me, DeMar exceeded expectations, in certain areas. People will say one thing, now, and forget what they say and start talking what the retarded articles say, later. Nuuuuff 2 faced "fans", trust me. Don't even sweat that. YOU recognize his efforts and progression, so you and others have the appreciation more. It's all that counts, bruv. To each their own, I guess. I can't wait to hear what's said, when he's steady progresses. Lmao.

    The joke is, we act like we can afford to diss everybody on the team, because we just have a "plethora" of players that are clambering to play here. So much so that we're blind to a player's heart and commitment to an already unpopular team. Dissed the Yung Gunz effort to help build sum'n for the city, by even committing to the fans at public gyms. They got slapped in the face by the fans because Yung Gunz failed to be LBJ, Wade and the "ever-loved" Bosh. ***.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    So you have a second hand rumour? Even if it is on good authority, you even admitted that it was a rumour, so not exactly a strong support to make the claim "He does not love the city". Plus you said his reasons were management and the poor direction of the team, so that doesn't say anything about the city, so I find it a stretch to use the information you provided to make the claim "he doesn't love the city". If you had said "he doesn't love management" or "he doesn't love the direction of the team" then I'd believe it more.


    Demar biggest problem has been that he hasn't had a good environment to grow in. Who was he supposed to learn from? Bosh on the way out the door? Bargnani? The team has had no credible leader for the young guys to learn from and emulate. Lowry might be that guy (so far so good) and that will help Demar and JV and Ross develop when they see what it takes for a guy to be a high quality NBA player. I guarantee that if Demar was drafted by the Spurs he would be a better player already, learning from Duncan, Parker and Ginobli.

    I was very down on Demar entering the season, but his new post game and better decisions have changed my view on him, which is good, because with that new contract he isn't going anywhere any time soon. Hopefully Demar and Lowry can continue to feed off each other and we can get back to debating whether they are a Top 10 backcourt combo.
    Co-sign on bolded part. Well said.
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    Quote GameBreaker wrote: View Post
    Watch nuthin, bruv...I see you, still. Perfectly. It's why I don't even bother no more, king. I see some stupid comments, sometimes, and I jus laugh. Fans know fans, so I jus gravitate to the positive shit. DeMar was a 9th pick, not top 5, so I'm pleased with his EXPECTED development and even more thrilled by his commitment to get better. We are in a new generation in life and sports. We want quick fixes like a shot at the bar, instead of a beer. We get trade happy like a man in Las Vegas addicted to gambling. To me, DeMar exceeded expectations, in certain areas. People will say one thing, now, and forget what they say and start talking what the retarded articles say, later. Nuuuuff 2 faced "fans", trust me. Don't even sweat that. YOU recognize his efforts and progression, so you and others have the appreciation more. It's all that counts, bruv. To each their own, I guess. I can't wait to hear what's said, when he's steady progresses. Lmao.

    The joke is, we act like we can afford to diss everybody on the team, because we just have a "plethora" of players that are clambering to play here. So much so that we're blind to a player's heart and commitment to an already unpopular team. Dissed the Yung Gunz effort to help build sum'n for the city, by even committing to the fans at public gyms. They got slapped in the face by the fans because Yung Gunz failed to be LBJ, Wade and the "ever-loved" Bosh. ***.
    thank you for your support and for recognizing my support and appreciation towards hard workers.

    peace

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    Axel made a great point. Ever since he (Derozan) came in, there's never been a really true, TRUE leader on this team. I mean, Bosh was the best player, but he wasn't a leader like other all-stars are/were.

    Lowry is our best player - not an all-star though - but he IS leader, who will lead by example, and works hard for everything. That attitude translates from him, to the 15th guy on the team. Derozan and him already have great chemistry, both play off of each other very well. I'm excited once Lowry comes back. Cause if Derozan continues to play this way, with a healthy, improving Kyle Lowry, watch out.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    thank you for your support and for recognizing my support and appreciation towards hard workers.

    peace

    I'm with you too on this. My gf says I have my unwavering faith on the Raptors, so much she's even jealous. Hahaha (on a side note, I more than make it up to her for that)... Every year starts out with, Raptors, NBA Champs, then Raptors Playoff contenders, then Raptors competitive, all the way down to "Please just win the f'ing game!" I've seen my share of players since their inaugural year in 1995 and I've always believed that one day we'll have that player to lead us to the promise land. I admit, I thought we had it in VC but it did not happen. But now we have a slew of complimentary pieces on our roster waiting to shine and I'm confident that Derozan can help us get back to the playoffs. Of course, we're going to need all the help we can get.

    On another note, for many years people dissed me for believing that my beloved Jays would someday win the world series. Like with the Raptors, every year was that expectation, championship, playoffs, contenders, win the damn game! Until one year they just put the right pieces together, and bam! World Series Champion #1 and then #2! Proudly, they are the last team to win back to back championships and the last team to win the World Series without the aid of the "wild card" format. With the rumors of the big blockbuster trade this year! I hope BC can make some magic happen the same way AA is doing for the Jays!
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    Thank you sir. When I lived in Montreal, I use to go to the expose games often. Even though they were always losing, like the raps. Then we had both Canadian teams with top two records in the majors then boom, baseball strike. Fishy in my mind. But I am a beloved either way.

    Go demarcation. Go raps.

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    Quote Clipse2001 wrote: View Post
    It's because we know how inconsistent he is, and I'm willing to bet that we will see the old Derozan again (hope I'm wrong!). But yeah, just like the Bargs 13 game sting last year, I'm waiting for another dissapointment.
    I have changed my mind on him.
    I think he wants so much to be a "player" that he is willing to do whatever it takes... combine that with a ton of god-given athleticism and I think you have a legit star being made.
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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    I have changed my mind on him.
    I think he wants so much to be a "player" that he is willing to do whatever it takes... combine that with a ton of god-given athleticism and I think you have a legit star being made.
    I like that. A star in the making. I believe he will be by next year.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post

    Go DeMar Go! Go Raps Go!
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    if demar was drafted by the spurs, he would be MVP by now......

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    if demar was drafted by the spurs, he would be MVP by now......
    If the Spurs had drafted him, they would have traded him by the deadline in year 1. The Spurs don't suffer players that can't fit alongside their stars after being drafted, and they certainly don't invest playing time in projects.

    I get your point, but I disagree with it. Veteran leadership is good for some things, but it is by no means a prerequisite for developing talent.

    Who did Kyrie Irving have in Cleveland? Rose in Chicago? Durant and Westbrook in OKC? LeBron in Cleveland? Wade in Miami?

    These guys all had some vets on their team, just as DeRozan has. It's the innate abilities that makes them stars, not some veteran presence. Vets can help a kid get their head on straight, steer them away from bad influences and teach them a few tricks, but the idea that veteran leadership makes a big difference in development is typical sports cliche bullshit. What matters a whole hell of a lot more are coaching and available minutes in which young players can make mistakes without looking over their shoulders. It's the latter that DeRozan lacked in his first two years.

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    What I'm seeing from Demar so far this year I feel justifies his new contract - on top of his strong scoring and getting to the line he's consistently getting boards AND assists. Aside from getting stronger in the off-season, it's really evident this year that he's much better at making the pass to get an assist when his own shot is taken away by the defense. This is huge for him as in past years he would just heave up a tough shot. Also, he's made it clear that he wants to be here and is committed to the franchise - who else has stepped up like that? In my opinion, the guy's a keeper.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    So you have a second hand rumour? Even if it is on good authority, you even admitted that it was a rumour, so not exactly a strong support to make the claim "He does not love the city". Plus you said his reasons were management and the poor direction of the team, so that doesn't say anything about the city, so I find it a stretch to use the information you provided to make the claim "he doesn't love the city". If you had said "he doesn't love management" or "he doesn't love the direction of the team" then I'd believe it more.


    Demar biggest problem has been that he hasn't had a good environment to grow in. Who was he supposed to learn from? Bosh on the way out the door? Bargnani? The team has had no credible leader for the young guys to learn from and emulate. Lowry might be that guy (so far so good) and that will help Demar and JV and Ross develop when they see what it takes for a guy to be a high quality NBA player. I guarantee that if Demar was drafted by the Spurs he would be a better player already, learning from Duncan, Parker and Ginobli.

    I was very down on Demar entering the season, but his new post game and better decisions have changed my view on him, which is good, because with that new contract he isn't going anywhere any time soon. Hopefully Demar and Lowry can continue to feed off each other and we can get back to debating whether they are a Top 10 backcourt combo.
    Ugghhhh... that seems like such a long time ago now.... lol
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    Quote Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    If the Spurs had drafted him, they would have traded him by the deadline in year 1. The Spurs don't suffer players that can't fit alongside their stars after being drafted, and they certainly don't invest playing time in projects.

    I get your point, but I disagree with it. Veteran leadership is good for some things, but it is by no means a prerequisite for developing talent.

    Who did Kyrie Irving have in Cleveland? Rose in Chicago? Durant and Westbrook in OKC? LeBron in Cleveland? Wade in Miami?

    These guys all had some vets on their team, just as DeRozan has. It's the innate abilities that makes them stars, not some veteran presence. Vets can help a kid get their head on straight, steer them away from bad influences and teach them a few tricks, but the idea that veteran leadership makes a big difference in development is typical sports cliche bullshit. What matters a whole hell of a lot more are coaching and available minutes in which young players can make mistakes without looking over their shoulders. It's the latter that DeRozan lacked in his first two years.
    Well ofcourse those players dont need a superior development staff. What makes the spurs staff the stuff of LORE is their ability to make 2nd rounders great. If Lebron was drafted by the spurs he would be better then he is now.

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