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Thread: B. C. biggest draft mistakes. Not Barg.

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    Default B. C. biggest draft mistakes. Not Barg.

    insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors strange. guess he do not want to call Barg out.

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    no way he's going to name a player still on the roster, though it'd be gut busting hilarious if he did.
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    "Bargs, no question. That guy sucks."
    *looks at camera, drops head*
    "Please don't publish that"
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    What did Colangelo say? (no insider access for me).
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    Casey Jacobsen and PJ Tucker.

    interesting that he mentions regretting passing on Millsap. You know what to do BC!
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    Don't have insider access, so can't see the article, but drafting Bargnani was not a mistake. The mistake was not trading him.

    The biggest regret was getting the #1 pick that year... although it could have been much worse. We could have drafted Adam Morrison or Sheldon Williams.

    I am no longer a Bryan supporter, however the one thing he has always done well was draft well.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Casey Jacobsen and PJ Tucker.

    interesting that he mentions regretting passing on Millsap. You know what to do BC!
    Hey Ceez, no access now on my phone to copy and paste the article. Are you by any chance able to do so? Would be greatly appreciated.
    Respect!

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    During a Q&A discussing how teams prepare for the draft, Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star asked Toronto Raptors president and general manager Bryan Colangelo who he would pick as his worst selection.

    "I had a draft selection in Phoenix, No. 22 [in 2002]. I picked a kid named Casey Jacobsen from Stanford and Tayshaun Prince went 23rd. I missed because we had Shawn Marion and felt Prince was more or less a duplication. But I made it up by taking Amar'e Stoudemire at No 9. And then a kid Paul Millsap went 47th [in 2006]. And at 35, we took P.J. Tucker. That was a mistake."

    Ironically, Tucker currently plays for the Suns and he's part of their rotation this season.

    Colangelo has been in charge of the Raptors since 2006 and his first round picks include Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis, Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross. Those five players are still with the Raptors.
    there you go
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    i remember the year andrea was drafted i wanted the raps to trade down and take rudy gay or just take him outright. at the same time, i get why BC took bargs.

    hindsight is 20/20
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Don't have insider access, so can't see the article, but drafting Bargnani was not a mistake. The mistake was not trading him.

    The biggest regret was getting the #1 pick that year... although it could have been much worse. We could have drafted Adam Morrison or Sheldon Williams.

    I am no longer a Bryan supporter, however the one thing he has always done well was draft well.
    While I think drafting Bargnani was a mistake, I think the bigger and more important one was using him and treating him like he was a budding superstar well after it was obvious he wasn't. That of all things has been Colangelo's biggest and most influential failing.

    ....missed because we had Shawn Marion and felt Prince was more or less a duplication
    for anyone who still believes Colangelo drafts BPA, yet more evidence that he does not.

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    I posted this twice by accident. can someone please delete the other post? Thank you very much and sorry about. Hard to do these things on a phone. ARG!

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    there you go
    Thank you very much!

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    I don't blame Colangelo for drafting Bargnani. In the summer of 2006, there was no clear cut first pick. Each of Bargnani, Aldridge, Thomas, Morrison, Gay, etc. came with risk. But like planetmars said, the biggest mistake was holding onto him for 7 years.

    The bright side is that it's not too late to correct that mistake. If Colangelo can turn Turkoglu into Barbosa, he's more than capable of turning Bargnani into a serviceable rotation player. Who that player is, though? I have no idea.

    As for the OP, passing up Millsap was definitely regretful in hindsight, but this isn't a case of Colangelo admitting he was wrong. There was 30 other GMs who passed on Millsap, half of them passing him up twice.
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    Figured out how to remove duplicate post. Sorry all!

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I am no longer a Bryan supporter, however the one thing he has always done well was draft well.
    Why do people keep saying this??
    Which one of his draft picks in Toronto have been so great to make people believe this crap?

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    Letter N,

    Demar at 9, Ed at 13, Ross at 8, Val at 5

    I think for someone who hasnt had a chance to draft top 5 since Bargnani (which imo isnt a bad draft pick), the likely hood of drafting a superstar is slim. Though, Im a big fan of his eye. To pull out JV was so counter-intuitive, but now he is looking more and more like a real pro. Demar, Ross, and Ed are all later first round picks, and I think with what was on the board, each one of those picks are going to deem results for their positions. Demar already is looking to be an utter STEAL at 9. Ross, I think has the potential to be better. Ed is getting there, and for the 13th pick is very solid.

    Listen, the fact that he doesnt have Adam Morrison, Kwame Brown, Araujo, etc on his record. That in itself is a remarkable accomplishment for a GM.

    *Edited
    Last edited by enlightenment; Thu Nov 15th, 2012 at 10:49 AM.

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    Goran Dragic anyone over Nathan Jawai? 2008 draft

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    I don't really have a problem with BC's drafting -- everyone misses guys and the data on foreign and college hoops are sparse.

    The real issue I have with BC is his management of free agency and restricted free agency. He overbids for players for no good reason, jumping the gun instead of looking at the big picture and evaluating his options. Bargs getting drafted, I totally understand. At the time I wanted him too. But when the time came to extend his contract, that's when he should have balked. At that point it was easy to tell that Bargs was never going to live up to his potential.

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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Letter N,

    Demar at 9, Ed at 10, Ross at 8, Val at 5

    I think for someone who hasnt had a chance to draft top 5 since Bargnani (which imo isnt a bad draft pick), the likely hood of drafting a superstar is slim. Though, Im a big fan of his eye. To pull out JV was so counter-intuitive, but now he is looking more and more like a real pro. Demar, Ross, and Ed are all later first round picks, and I think with what was on the board, each one of those picks are going to deem results for their positions. Demar already is looking to be an utter STEAL at 9. Ross, I think has the potential to be better. Ed is getting there, and for the 10th pick is very solid.

    Listen, the fact that he doesnt have Adam Morrison, Kwame Brown, Araujo, etc on his record. That in itself is a remarkable accomplishment for a GM.
    ed was 13 if I am not mistaken

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    ed was 13 if I am not mistaken
    fixed. also makes my point look better.

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