That's what those two players are, and this is not subjective at all.
Jose is 31 and has had dealt with injuries the past few seasons. He can't keep up with most of the starting PGs in the league and is a liability at the end of games on the defensive end. If you guys are expecting a Boozer (why would you want him anyway?), Deng (a borderline all-star SF), Al Jefferson/Mo Williams, or even a lottery pick...you guys will be very disappointed
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Calderon, Bargnani, TRoss, and Kleiza to Chicago for Deng and Boozer. I think that's a realistic scenario and I would make that trade today.
I'd rather not have Boozer to be honest
So, let me get this straight: He's playing great ball, knows how to run the team, crazy assist (54 in 4 games..before the last one) and knows how to run a team. So, it's Jose's fault that we lose games? Uhhhh, no. Trade Bargs. Cats need to stop getting trade-happy like this NBA2K13. ***. If it wasn't for Jose, we'd look sillier on the floor, on a nightly basis.
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I think that Calderon by himself is a big chip, particularly becasue of his expiring contract. Next years free agent class is pretty good with guys like Chris Paul, Manu Ginobli, Josh Smith, and Andrew Bynum and don't forget Dwight who is still a free agent after this season. That is Jose's value, he's a good point guard that a team can rent out for the rest of the season then use his cap hit to pick up a free agent. If you add Bargs to that deal you really lose the value he provides becasue of Bargs' cap hit. If you want to move both of them, it makes a lot more sense to trade them seperately, Calderon to a playoff team that wants to be good and still make a splash in the offseason and Bargnani to a team that is looking for that extra scroing punch and has an asset (either a pick or a guy they don't have minutes for that is pretty good) that we are interested in.
For Calderon, something with Danny Granger could work since Indiana needs a better point and Granger is not a necessary piece anymore. We'd probably have to throw in Ross or Ed Davis or something.
For Bargnani, I think Atlanta could be interested. They need a big man and may be willing to trade an expiring Devin Harris and pieces for Bargs. This would be more to jettison Bargs and have cap space next year than to actually get a good player. Actually in this scenario it would make sense to keep Jose's expiring and go after Josh Smith in free agency.
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I wouldn't want to trade Calderon OR Bargnani until Lowry and Fields are fully healthy. Mostly because of the fact they are the reason we are still in games(well not really Bargs, but rather pckg. him w/ Jose). When those two are healthy, then I'll pull a trade. And when that happens, any of the ones you mentioned would be perfect. I'd personally prefer the Smith/Jefferson ones. But if any of these trades are happening, it's either the Clevelands trade, or the Chicago trade.
that amare and shumpert one is awesome imo... is amare great on d? hell no but he could fill the void of scoring left by bargs and by doing it in the paint and also rebounding like we need. My only problem with this is his giant contract mixed with his age. Reduces our flexibility but shumpert could be big add as well hes a DC kinda player.
How about Bargs + Calderon + Davis to Miami for Bosh + Cole - We get good old Bosh back who can help us get to the playoff. In the offseason, we get Carter, T-Mac, Arroyo, while give Charlie V the vet minimum to play for us.
Bargs + Calderon + Ross for LaMarcus Aldridge + Wes Matthews.
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