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    Default How can you win when the whistle literally doesn't blow? (heartbreaking)

    Bargnani's buzzer beater came up literally 12 feet short of the rim. Are ref's going to play that stupid to think 6'6 Kidd-Gilchrist blocked his shot, I could see contact from every angle they showed. You can not win a basketball game when the other team is allowed to cheat for the last couple minutes. Why was there no free throw attempt? Because the buzzer went on the road? Would LeBron EVER get that treatment? How is that fair?

    Not to mention, DeRozan was hacked all game long, especially 3 times in the final sequence.

    Like somebody mentioned earlier, the Raptors have averaged 6 free throws less a game all season, 8 less today, that is despite an emphasis on driving the ball and getting into the paint from many players all season.

    This is really becoming a joke and I'm starting to wonder if there is some sort of "reason" for it. Either way, we might as well hope to finish in the bottom 3 and get a sick pick, because we're not going to win much this year by the looks of things.

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    The Nba Refs are a joke

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    Yeah, they were really liberal with the whistle earlier on. Then they swallowed and won it for the Home crowd.

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    what if as home team fans everyone brings a whistle and blows it when they see a foul so the refs can get some help

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    what if as home team fans everyone brings a whistle and blows it when they see a foul so the refs can get some help
    We should totally do that. And have a chant that goes "fuck the refs!"

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    We should totally do that. And have a chant that goes "fuck the refs!"
    We have this ( I mean the chant ). Every time crowd is unsatisfied with refereeing they chant "Fuck you referee". Next time they think twice. It's like a tradition, which been around here for many years. Not very civilized one, but at least crowd responds and shows they won't tolerate it.
    One of the most famous one ;DDD Cost the game
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    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.

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    Quote DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.
    You sir make a lot of sense. +1

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    Quote DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.
    Nice post.
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    Quote DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.
    And yet as a team we have shot 72 less free throws in the games so far. That's an average of six less free throws a game. Let's deal with the stats that matter here.

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    Quote DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.
    There are such things as consequential and inconsequential free throws in basketball. If DD gets hacked in the 3rd quarter when we're up by 10 and goes to the line, but then when we're down by 1 in the 4th and he doesn't get the call...it doesn't really matter what the average is it's when the guy gets the call. If casey calls a play for DD to take it to the basket at the end of the game and we don't get that call then this stat doesn't really matter.

    At the same time, we have shot something like 60% in the past couple of games and this was the difference. Demar missed a key free throw last night when he did get the call, and lowry missed 2 the night before at a key point. When all is said and done, if we shot 80% from the line we would have won the last two games

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    I agree that our free throw shooting has been terrible, and that was probably the deciding factor.

    But i dont buy into this whole " they never should have let the refs decide it" or " one free throw doesnt make the difference"

    All 30 teams are professional teams, large margin wins occur when one team isnt playing at their best. Tight games are going to happen and a foul is a foul.

    And im not so upset over the missed call on bargnani, but the touch fouls given to the raptors and the no calls on the other end infuriate me. I have been the biggest defender of officials in the past, its probably the toughest sport to officiate. BUT there is no excuse for the inconsistencies in the whistles.

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    Quote DirtyMikeSeaver wrote: View Post
    Two things:

    1. As one of my former coaches told me: Never leave the game in the hands of the refs. Once you start doing that, you've already lost.

    2. Free Throw Attempts Per Game:

    DeMar DeRozan - 5.8
    Kyle Lowry - 5.2
    LeBron James - 5.4
    Chris Paul - 4.9
    Dwayne Wade - 4.3

    Even Andrea averages more FTs per game than guys like Joe Johnson, Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson. The Raps should stop complaining and start hitting their freebies.
    Only one issue with this, if the a guy leads the league in FTA, how can he seemingly not have the respect of the referees? As far as hitting FT's I agree whole heartedly.

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    Quote SitnonDfence wrote: View Post
    Only one issue with this, if the a guy leads the league in FTA, how can he seemingly not have the respect of the referees? As far as hitting FT's I agree whole heartedly.

    Derozan has too few FT at the end of games. Makes no sense considering that is when everyone is in the bonus and he is good at getting tot the line.

    This has been an ongoing problem for him. Lots of free throws in the first 3 quarters, none in the final minutes.

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    Bryan needs to stop shopping for shirts, and get a former official on the payroll to watch and create a report for the league with regards to this situation.


    I don't like pointing fingers at the refs either, but I am seeing too many missed calls at the end of games. Saddly, Derozan gets the short end of the stick most of the time.

    You nullify our best penetrator for the last couple of minutes, and our shot at winning is slim to none.

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    Not saying that the refs didn't screw up and cost us a game yesterday, but the argument about our opposition getting 72 more calls than we did may have something to do with the fact that besides DeMar we dont have anyone going to the rim. Lowry was out for a bunch of games, Jose doesn't penetrate and AB just sits at the 3 point line. That leaves DeMar and JV to do all the work in the paint where fouls happen most often.

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    I don't like pointing fingers at the refs either, but I am seeing too many missed calls at the end of games. Saddly, Derozan gets the short end of the stick most of the time.

    You nullify our best penetrator for the last couple of minutes, and our shot at winning is slim to none.
    +1.

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    The thing about the last couple seconds of the possession is that the ref usually won't give the away team a call in the last possession of a close game especially when the home team is winning (even if there should have been a call). This is usually to please the home crowd since they don't want the game to be decided by free-throws. The only real exception would be if it was some seriously known superstar that the NBA is known to favor more (LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Paul, etc...). This is Bargnani we're talking about. No way he's getting that call at the end of the game especially if it decides who wins and loses the game...

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    The only real exception would be if it was some seriously known superstar that the NBA is known to favor more (LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Paul, etc...). This is Bargnani we're talking about. No way he's getting that call at the end of the game especially if it decides who wins and loses the game...
    And this is OK? It's absolutely ludicrous that this is just "accepted"

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    And this is OK? It's absolutely ludicrous that this is just "accepted"
    +1 it's sickening.

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