Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 120

Thread: Reasons for Optimism

  1. #61
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    It's not a story about shuffling around the worker bees. It's a story about management. Establishing a successful organizational culture doesn't start with the minions, it starts with the head honcho. If MLSE wants to send a message that "fucking around time is over", cleaning out the front office (and I do mean cleaning it out) is the place to start.
    I think MLSE under new ownership of Rogers and Bell has shown that the "fucking around time is over."
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  2. #62
    Raptors Republic Starter
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    401
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    This is the closest thing to travelling back in time.

  3. #63
    Super Moderator Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,806
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    It's not a story about shuffling around the worker bees. It's a story about management. Establishing a successful organizational culture doesn't start with the minions, it starts with the head honcho. If MLSE wants to send a message that "fucking around time is over", cleaning out the front office (and I do mean cleaning it out) is the place to start.
    Masai?
    In Masai we Trust.

  4. #64
    Raptors Republic Superstar enlightenment's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    3,138
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Since we are cherry picking comments, perusing the thread, I find this hilarious.

    Yeah, Masai sure unraveled this teams development!

    Lets start the #BBB campaign!

    #BringBackBryan
    Did you even re-read the thread? I said I was giving Bryant the season to trade Bargnani. Once he failed to do that, I wished him gone as well.

    One thing you guys cannot deny; I was screaming for the core to stick together, all the reasons that I gave still stand today. This was back when people were calling Ross a scrub. I was optimistic when this entire board was freaking out, and I never wavered. Now this core will be known as the best Raptors team in franchise history.

    Sorry if after 2 years of arguing with you Matt52 about what this team can do, this team showed you up. Not me, I am not the one that showed you up, its the team you wished to dismantle that did it.
    The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

  5. #65
    Raptors Republic Veteran Nilanka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    6,035
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Did you even re-read the thread? I said I was giving Bryant the season to trade Bargnani. Once he failed to do that, I wished him gone as well.

    One thing you guys cannot deny; I was screaming for the core to stick together, all the reasons that I gave still stand today. This was back when people were calling Ross a scrub. I was optimistic when this entire board was freaking out, and I never wavered. Now this core will be known as the best Raptors team in franchise history.

    Sorry if after 2 years of arguing with you Matt52 about what this team can do, this team showed you up. Not me, I am not the one that showed you up, its the team you wished to dismantle that did it.
    Technically, you were wrong for 2 years....
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

  6. #66
    Raptors Republic All-Star BigCamB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    1,449
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Pretty impressive to remain positive after that long stretch of incredibly narrow losses you mentioned in the OP. That's the one thing I will give you.
    That was just brutal and kinda broke my spirit for that season. They played pretty well in those games but just couldn't get over the line in any of them.

    Oh well, worked out in the end

  7. #67
    Raptors Republic Veteran Nilanka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    6,035
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    And let's not forget that simply making the playoffs isn't much to brag about. This team needs to advance before being cemented a strong core.
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

  8. #68
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,335
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Did you even re-read the thread? I said I was giving Bryant the season to trade Bargnani. Once he failed to do that, I wished him gone as well.

    One thing you guys cannot deny; I was screaming for the core to stick together, all the reasons that I gave still stand today. This was back when people were calling Ross a scrub. I was optimistic when this entire board was freaking out, and I never wavered. Now this core will be known as the best Raptors team in franchise history.

    Sorry if after 2 years of arguing with you Matt52 about what this team can do, this team showed you up. Not me, I am not the one that showed you up, its the team you wished to dismantle that did it.
    The team that was successful this season, is NOT the team that caused the wave of pro-tank sentiment. That team had Bargnani and Gay, which was obviously blown up quite early into the season, in what was arguably a series of moves designed to rebuild the roster for the long-term.

    Posters on both sides of the tank debate wanted Gay gone (or at least one of Gay/DeRozan), which MU ultimately agreed with. I would argue that both the trade for Gay and the trading away of Gay, altered the team's core (so it certainly wasn't maintained).

    To say that optimism won out and that this team proved all the pro-tankers wrong, is ignorant. MU made a significant trade and the results were beyond anybody's wildest dreams (coupled with an historically weak/injured EC), which all Raptors fans are ecstatic about!

    I'm still intrigued by what the upcoming offseason holds. First, I'm not convinced that this roster's ceiling is anything more than a 2nd round knockout. Second, we have no idea what MU's end-game is, although I highly doubt he will rest on his unexpected laurels and keep the entire team together (if Lowry walks, all bets are off).

  9. #69
    Super Moderator Joey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    7,806
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    The team that was successful this season, is NOT the team that caused the wave of pro-tank sentiment. That team had Bargnani and Gay, which was obviously blown up quite early into the season, in what was arguably a series of moves designed to rebuild the roster for the long-term.

    Posters on both sides of the tank debate wanted Gay gone (or at least one of Gay/DeRozan), which MU ultimately agreed with.

    To say that optimism won out and that this team proved all the pro-tankers wrong, is ignorant. MU made a significant trade and the results were beyond anybody's wildest dreams (coupled with an historically weak/injured EC), which all Raptors fans are ecstatic about!

    I'm still intrigued by what the upcoming offseason holds. First, I'm not convinced that this roster's ceiling is anything more than a 2nd round knockout. Second, we have no idea what MU's end-game is, although I highly doubt he will rest on his unexpected laurels and keep the entire team together (if Lowry walks, all bets are off).
    He actually made these posts before we ever traded for Rudy, I think. Thats how old this is...
    In Masai we Trust.

  10. #70
    Super Moderator CalgaryRapsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    4,335
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    He actually made these posts before we ever traded for Rudy, I think. Thats how old this is...
    Back when Bargnani, Calderon, Davis and Kleiza were part of the core, Valanciunas & Ross were rookies, and Lowry was newly acquired?

    How can anybody possibly make a statement that having faith in the team's core back then equates to being right about the success of this current team? Aside from DeRozan & Amir, those are entirely different teams! lol

    Different roster, different core, different GM, different ownership/senior management, different assistant coaches, hell we even had a different mascot for half the bloody season! haha The quest for one-upsmanship is never-ending for some, I suppose.

  11. Like Fully liked this post
  12. #71
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Did you even re-read the thread? I said I was giving Bryant the season to trade Bargnani. Once he failed to do that, I wished him gone as well.

    One thing you guys cannot deny; I was screaming for the core to stick together, all the reasons that I gave still stand today. This was back when people were calling Ross a scrub. I was optimistic when this entire board was freaking out, and I never wavered. Now this core will be known as the best Raptors team in franchise history.

    Sorry if after 2 years of arguing with you Matt52 about what this team can do, this team showed you up. Not me, I am not the one that showed you up, its the team you wished to dismantle that did it.
    Congratulations. You're a blind-optimism, super fan who stayed optimistic long enough for your vision to become reality - with new ownership, front office, coaching staff, scouts, and supporting cast.

    Bold: lets see if they win a playoff series before anointing that honour. Oh, and isn't that incredibly sad that 19 years and this is the best? Good grief. This team would not even be in playoffs if it was in the West - yay! Go Raps!

    You keep cheering your core to win a playoff series. I'll keep hoping and cheering what needs to be done to make this team a legitimate championship contender comes true.
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  13. #72
    Raptors Republic Superstar Puffer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,696
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    ...I'll keep hoping and cheering what needs to be done to make this team a legitimate championship contender comes true.
    "And in the meantime enjoy fully any basketball related happiness the team can bring me."

    You forgot that part Matt

  14. Like mcHAPPY liked this post
  15. #73
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    "And in the meantime enjoy fully any basketball related happiness the team can bring me."

    You forgot that part Matt
    You're right.

    I retired the tank to the beach and have enjoyed some winning basketball.

    Hopefully it doesn't take another 5 years to get excited about something as a Raptor fan.
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  16. #74
    Raptors Republic Veteran Bendit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    5,182
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    A bit off topic but want to throw this out there....has anyone followed the rumblings about the possibility that Leiweke is looking to leave MLSE?

    I first heard this in apost mortem of an appearance on the Bob McCown 590 show where he apparently said his work was about done after the hiring of Shanahan for the Leafs...and the Raptors & TFC in good hands and on their way.

  17. #75
    Raptors Republic Veteran Nilanka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    6,035
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    A bit off topic but want to throw this out there....has anyone followed the rumblings about the possibility that Leiweke is looking to leave MLSE?

    I first heard this in apost mortem of an appearance on the Bob McCown 590 show where he apparently said his work was about done after the hiring of Shanahan for the Leafs...and the Raptors & TFC in good hands and on their way.
    Interesting. I haven't heard this. But seems to make sense. Now that all the key managerial positions have been filled (for all franchises), what is there left for Lieweke to do?
    "I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder

  18. #76
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    A bit off topic but want to throw this out there....has anyone followed the rumblings about the possibility that Leiweke is looking to leave MLSE?

    I first heard this in apost mortem of an appearance on the Bob McCown 590 show where he apparently said his work was about done after the hiring of Shanahan for the Leafs...and the Raptors & TFC in good hands and on their way.
    Noooooooooooooo.

    Really?

    No.

    No.

    No.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  19. Like Bendit liked this post
  20. #77
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Interesting. I haven't heard this. But seems to make sense. Now that all the key managerial positions have been filled (for all franchises), what is there left for Lieweke to do?
    Finish the job?

    He has always talked about working with his GM's to ensure they had what they needed.

    How is he going to plan any parade routes if he is not head of MLSE?
    How is it going to look to NBA people when the guy brags about the city but jumps out at first opportunity?


    I really hope this is not true.
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  21. #78
    Raptors Republic Veteran Bendit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    5,182
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Interesting. I haven't heard this. But seems to make sense. Now that all the key managerial positions have been filled (for all franchises), what is there left for Lieweke to do?
    Change the weather patterns?

    This was last night. The murmurs were that the board was in a bit of disarray (Rogers & Bell notgetting along), hedoesnt like the weather (which is curious because that is a f/a refrain!) or he is looking for a bigger challenge (like getting an NFL team...hint the Bills).

  22. #79
    Raptors Republic Hall of Famer mcHAPPY's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    19,666
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    The Leafs aren’t close to talented enough to win a Stanley Cup, so vision will be required. But all in all, this is Leiweke’s show now, though who knows for how long. Leiweke talks a lot about how dreadful the winter was, and there are whispers that wrestling with the competing telecommunication giants that own the place is not what you’d call a satisfying experience. Of course, nobody knows just how happy the giants are, either. The notion that Shanahan would be groomed as Leiweke’s successor was floated this week, even if Shanahan is a long way from being the same level of political, hyper-corporate figure. For what it’s worth, when flatly asked if he was searching for a successor, Leiweke laughed.

    “No,” he said. “We don’t do that damn parade, I’ll never live it down.”


    That’s a lot of winters away, more than likely. Better bundle up.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/...-right-things/
    He can't go until he plans a parade.
    "You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"
    Bruno Caboclo

    Basketball has clear winners every night --
    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

  23. #80
    Raptors Republic Starter Uncle_Si's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    677
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    He can't go until he plans a parade.
    I heard rumblings too. Apparently a source he worked with at AEG said if Toronto can't get an NFL team in 3 years that he's gone. I'm really hope he stays regardless though. The whole attitude and culture of MLSE starts with him. Successful sports teams would do wonders for the city economically and in the community. It's amazing how sports can really bring people together.

Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •