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    Quote minks77 wrote: View Post
    can we get some dirt on adam silver? Wiggins can't be a raptor soon enough...
    he can't be worse than David Stern, can he? seems like a pretty honest guy. Hopefully the guy can rig us a couple of lotteries

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    Number 3 is most easily achievable so why not start there? In an effort to play offence they are neither here nor there, although there's been a marked improvement in the last few games. If defence is Casey's strength, he should coach to his strength.

    As far as the other points are concerned 4 and 5 are going to take time. Not soon but 1 and 2 are possible.

    This is a nice thread that clearly identifies our needs.
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    So that's it? Trade everybody on the team for an all star PF, an above average SF, and a cold blooded finish games? Sweet, I thought this would be hard!!!
    Hahah, my exact reaction. No need to panic! All they need to do is turn over half of their roster on the fly and we'll be fine!

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    @Fully and KeonClark:

    Thanks for the optimism.

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    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.

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    Quote b2kelly wrote: View Post
    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.
    I feel you man, i feel you. Everytime we're in a close game i get that weird feeling in my stomach like i'm about to throw up or something. I think its called anxiety, well anyway, that how i feel when i watch raptors games. All that hope and optimism has vanished into thin air. Now i'd be satisfied by just a win.

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    Quote b2kelly wrote: View Post
    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.
    You had every reason to expect a contender. The team was built to do so. Maybe too many close games that didn't go our way, maybe injuries and so on, the fact is our record is bad. To feel discouraged is OK, to give up is not. Maybe the season will be salvaged, maybe not but I firmly believe that the future is bright for the Raptors. In Jonas, I think we have found a star player and the core pieces around him are good pieces.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    You had every reason to expect a contender. The team was built to do so. Maybe too many close games that didn't go our way, maybe injuries and so on, the fact is our record is bad. To feel discouraged is OK, to give up is not. Maybe the season will be salvaged, maybe not but I firmly believe that the future is bright for the Raptors. In Jonas, I think we have found a star player and the core pieces around him are good pieces.
    I would share your optimism with one small change needed that was trending on twitter yesterday.
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    Bargnani is not going to be an easy player to trade. It can only be done at a loss to the team trading him away it doesn't seem like BC is willing to take that much of a loss on him.

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    It will be even harder to trade him with this #tradeBargnani trending on twitter.
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is not going to be an easy player to trade. It can only be done at a loss to the team trading him away it doesn't seem like BC is willing to take that much of a loss on him.
    I'm not sure I agree.

    He may not be easy to trade but I can't see this loss spoke of. The Raptors seem to play just as good if not better without him. There is a definite double standard in Toronto with regards to accountability.

    The problem the Raptors have is Bargnani is 'our guy'. We might be able to take on a player who is not 'the guy' on another team but who is a better fit than what Bargnani brings to Toronto.

    Sadly none of us knows what Bargnani's value is. You very well may be right though. If that is the case, the message from around the league should be loud and clear: bench him.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure I agree.

    He may not be easy to trade but I can't see this loss spoke of. The Raptors seem to play just as good if not better without him. There is a definite double standard in Toronto with regards to accountability.

    The problem the Raptors have is Bargnani is 'our guy'. We might be able to take on a player who is not 'the guy' on another team but who is a better fit than what Bargnani brings to Toronto.

    Sadly none of us knows what Bargnani's value is. You very well may be right though. If that is the case, the message from around the league should be loud and clear: bench him.
    If we could get a pick for him I would think it would be at best somewhere in the mid to late first round of this years draft. In last years I would think somewhere from 20th onwards.

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    Quote b2kelly wrote: View Post
    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.
    I used to be this way, but I've become numb to the losses lately. Seriously, the only way to help yourself is to temper expectations.

    Nowadays, I can't help but chuckle in amazement with each loss. No matter what this team does, they consistently find a new way to lose. And there's very little reason to think this trend will change anytime soon.
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    I think it's easy to trade Bargnani and that's mainly because of his contract. The delay(if they're looking to trade him) is 'cause they haven't found the right deal IMO. He may not be a traditional PF who plays low and grabs rebounds but there are a lot of pluses to his game as well. Especially offensively. My point is, he is an attractive player to GM's around the league IMO.
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    I think it's is a tough call in terms of what you do with Bargnani. Granted a GM's valuation of a player probably doesn't get affected much by single game performances, but you have to think when a guy has his lackey's pouring over the stats and the player in question just turned in a 2 for 19 game, someone says "So umm.. do we really want this guy?"

    I think the right move is to bench him, not only due to his detrimental play but also from a coaching perspective. Casey's got a group of new guys who are learning the new culture, and Casey's not backing up his words. Benching Bargnani would go a long way in terms of getting other players to buy in.

    From a franchise perspective, you kinda hope that Bargnani will embrace the bench role and play better. Of course the scary thing is if he's relegated to bench and starts playing well. Now you'll have a whole bunch of RR forum members going "Oh maybe that's all he needed.. let's keep him."
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    BryCo better be cooking up a nice Christmas gift for us all..
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    BryCo better be cooking up a nice Christmas gift for us all..
    He better be

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    Quote b2kelly wrote: View Post
    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.
    I know how you feel man. I used to be this way as well. I would let the Raptors play affect my mood. If they won great, awesome, I was on cloud 9. When they lost I would get pissed, angry, grumpy, whatever. You can't let it affect you like that man. Especially since more often than not the raps are losing. I learned to just chill out and enjoy the game I love to watch. I don't get too high or too low. Don't get me wrong it's still frustrating to watch them lose, I just don't let them winning/losing affect my moods any more. It is what it is my dude. Try to look at the positives and take it from there.

    Cheers

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    Quote .40 Cal Flakes wrote: View Post
    I know how you feel man. I used to be this way as well. I would let the Raptors play affect my mood. If they won great, awesome, I was on cloud 9. When they lost I would get pissed, angry, grumpy, whatever. You can't let it affect you like that man. Especially since more often than not the raps are losing. I learned to just chill out and enjoy the game I love to watch. I don't get too high or too low. Don't get me wrong it's still frustrating to watch them lose, I just don't let them winning/losing affect my moods any more. It is what it is my dude. Try to look at the positives and take it from there.

    Cheers
    I go down with the same syndrome homie. My parents are like "why are you so pissed and depressed?". I usually don't talk much after a tough loss. I take it too personally, which i probably shouldn't

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    Quote b2kelly wrote: View Post
    I am not going to lie, at the start of this season I really did expect to contend.. I have no reason why I felt this way I just did. It really is a blow to my gut when we suck this badly. It takes one of the few things that I enjoy in this world and crushes it and when the raptors lose it ruins my overall attitude for that particular day.
    It's so depressing reading the message board lately, how down everybody is. The Raptors record might be 3-11 (4-10 if you include the admitted missed call against Detroit), but I think this team is much better than their record shows.

    Without even getting into any excuses/explanations, the Raptors could very easily have a solid, winning record right now. Excluding their 3 worst losses (OKC, BOS, PHI), their scoring margin at the end of the 4th quarter in those other 8 losses were:

    -2
    -7
    -5
    even (OT loss)
    -8
    -1
    -1
    even (OT loss)

    That is a total of -24 points over 8 games, which is an average of a 3 point loss. 5 games were between even and -2 at the end of the 4th quarter! If even half those 5 games went our way, we'd be looking at a .500 team.

    Yes, I know a loss is still a loss. However, when you consider how competitive the Raptors have been in all these games (they were even leading Philly in the 4th quarter of the game they wound up losing by 10), suddenly the excuses/explanations shed light on the fact that this team could easily be .500 or better.

    - terrible officiating (cost us at least 1 games for sure)
    - injuries (Lowry, Fields, Bargnani's sickness)
    - horrible FT shooting (cost us a couple games)
    - some highly questionable coaching decisions (cost us a couple games)


    I'm not drinking any koolaid or trying to sugar coat a nightmare season. I'm usually as pessimistic and cynical as anybody but, after reading some of these threads, I find it so bizarre that I'm actually one of the few remaining optimists.

    This team needs a serious upgrade in talent level, before actually being a legitimate contending team (even just to contend getting beyond 1st round of playoffs). They have some nice pieces, but this team needs a #1 guy. They are competitive and with a few more lucky bounces, they would be (or still could be) right in the thick of the Eastern playoff race.

    That's all I expected going into this season, along with development of the younger players. I am quite happy at the progress made by DeRozan, Davis, Valanciunas and Ross. Fields is still a complete unknown, due to his injury. Bargnani (inefficiency), Amir (just seems off and too many shots outside 10') and Lowry (injury prone and hero-ball) have all disappointed me a little thus far, but could still turn it around.

    I get the frustration, but I think too many people are confusing the hope they had with the expectations they had for this season. I think the Raptors are falling well short of the collective hope we had, but I think they are well within the expectations we had, even with the 3-11 record (in what we all knew would be the tough part of their schedule, especially with a rookie starting and so many new players).

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