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    This organization can't keep trying to cut the weeds and then assume only the grass will start growing. Asking for a 4th coach in 7 years? All previous coaches released before their contracts expire?

    I don't agree with alot of what Casey has been doing. Games like yesterday where Ed sits while Bargnani plays are ridiculous to watch. But he was brought in to play and hide Bargnani. Not to hold all players accountable, not the 'develop' young guys. To build a winning team with Andrea Bargnani as the center peice of the team. This should have been obvious since the day he was hired.

    It is the Colangelo - Bargnani relationship that is the problem.

    If Casey is released the next coach's objective (and therefore problem) will be the same.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    This organization can't keep trying to cut the weeds and then assume only the grass will start growing. Asking for a 4th coach in 7 years? All previous coaches released before their contracts expire?

    I don't agree with alot of what Casey has been doing. Games like yesterday where Ed sits while Bargnani plays are ridiculous to watch. But he was brought in to play and hide Bargnani. Not to hold all players accountable, not the 'develop' young guys. To build a winning team with Andrea Bargnani as the center peice of the team. This should have been obvious since the day he was hired.

    It is the Colangelo - Bargnani relationship that is the problem.

    If Casey is released the next coach's objective (and therefore problem) will be the same.
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    I agree in theory but that is where ball and player movement comes in to play to open up the lanes. As Pop said, the Raptors were killing them on the glass.

    Also Memphis has one of the best offence in the league and they start just 2 guys who can shoot the three. Raps could have easily went with KL, JC, DD, ED, JV down the stretch.
    Memphis also has Z-Bo whom can shoot well inside the arc, Gasol whom can shoot well from the midrange (can't recall whom their SG is). You don't necessarily have to shoot the 3 to spread the floor.
    And ball movement is predicated on having players to swing to. With JV & Ed on the floor you are not going to swing the ball to them as they are in the post right? And with only JC as the only ball handler on the floor (from your example) in crunch time Memphis would just have to trap him to get the ball out of his hands.

    A lot of it also has to do with the personnel the Raps have. PF that doesn't play in the post and SG that can't stretch the floor.

    Just think that all this harping about Casey's play calling is getting a bit out of hand is all. I'm pretty sure there is a method to what many are perceiving as his madness. I think the 2 pg line up with Andrea (for as long as we're stuck with him), DD and JV should be the line up we close all tight games with until someone else steps their game up.

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    Casey on Bargnani:

    I’m going to ride with him come hell or high water
    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...rtime-victory/

    Sigh....
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Memphis also has Z-Bo whom can shoot well inside the arc, Gasol whom can shoot well from the midrange (can't recall whom their SG is). You don't necessarily have to shoot the 3 to spread the floor.
    And ball movement is predicated on having players to swing to. With JV & Ed on the floor you are not going to swing the ball to them as they are in the post right? And with only JC as the only ball handler on the floor (from your example) in crunch time Memphis would just have to trap him to get the ball out of his hands.

    A lot of it also has to do with the personnel the Raps have. PF that doesn't play in the post and SG that can't stretch the floor.

    Just think that all this harping about Casey's play calling is getting a bit out of hand is all. I'm pretty sure there is a method to what many are perceiving as his madness. I think the 2 pg line up with Andrea (for as long as we're stuck with him), DD and JV should be the line up we close all tight games with until someone else steps their game up.
    Lowry can handle the ball in addition to JC and both can shoot the 3.

    JV routinely takes a reversal at the top of the key/just inside 3pt.

    Ed has added elbow jumper, JV can shoot.

    Tony Allen is their SG who can't shoot a lick outside 3inches (exaggeration, I know).

    Memphis is 5th in ppg and 4th in offensive rating.... only 2 guys who can shoot the 3.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Lowry can handle the ball in addition to JC and both can shoot the 3.

    JV routinely takes a reversal at the top of the key/just inside 3pt.

    Ed has added elbow jumper, JV can shoot.

    Tony Allen is their SG who can't shoot a lick outside 3inches (exaggeration, I know).

    Memphis is 5th in ppg and 4th in offensive rating.... only 2 guys who can shoot the 3.
    Whoops, sorry, I see that you wrote KL and not LK which is what I'm in agreement with having the two pg's on the floor. In cruch time I would go with AB over ED. ED is improving, but I don't think any coach in the NBA would take his elbow jumper over AB's 3 pointer (sad as it is these days). Atleast not yet. Just my opinion.

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    Yep, give him some two way talent before we write him off (still hasn't coached 82 games!)

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    The concept of this thread is madness. We get our first coach decent coach in a long time and you're calling for his head because our team sucks?

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    The 2012-2013 NBA season started with so much promise. During the preseason the Toronto Raptors went 6-1 and expectations were high due to the signing of Lowry and Fields. Valanciounas was finally here and he had also shown promise early on. Dwane Casey had a full training camp this year with a goal to install an up-tempo offence centered on Kyle Lowry.
    This only shows preseason means nothing. Why would the accidental signing of Landry Fields raise expectations? Valanciunas will continue to SHOW PROMISE this season. Keep in mind this guy has played 13 NBA games. In his life, he has played about 20-25 NBA-style games.

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    All the fan optimism that was there before the season started has now evaporated. The reality of what team the Raptors really are is evident in their current record. The winning percentage the Raptors have compiled the first 10-15 games of the season has hold true for the remainder of each campaign the past 4 seasons. If the current winning percentage (.231) holds for the rest of the season they will finish with 19 wins. Obviously this will be disastrous since they were hoping to make the playoffs this year. I believe that their winning percentage will improve to what it was last season (.348) which will result to 29 wins and 53 loses. That is a lot of losing basketball to watch for an entire season.
    The simple explanation is the optimism was unfounded. The reality is the reality. This team has talent but what is there is largely undeveloped. I still at this time have no idea why people thought this team had a chance to crack the top 8. 33 wins is where I thought we'd be at and I think it's still achievable.

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    Sometimes there is reason for optimism where a team can turn their season around but this usually happens with veteran teams that have been together for at least two seasons and not with a team that has one of the youngest rosters in the NBA.
    And yet, you just said that people were hoping to make the playoffs. Do you see how it doesn't add up? Unfounded optimism. I think this team can turn this season around, but not necessarily to the level of some of you optimistic people. I think we'll win more than 19 games, for example, but we won't eke out a playoff spot like some of you thought we would either.

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    Who is to blame for the current state of the Raptors? If we look at the roster this year it’s pretty much the same as last year. Lowry’s experience is negated by Valanciunas’ inexperience. Fields has not been effective due to injury and Bargnani’s slow start may have resulted to current record but I refuse to believe that these are the reason behind the team’s current record.
    Experience is not something that you add and subtract or cancel out. It doesn't work that way. The current state of the Raptors is a rebuilding team that is still 2-3 years away from competing. If there's someone to blame, it's Bryan Colangelo. A coach can't control who is on his roster. We lack developed talent and as a result, we're losing a lot of games. Period.

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    I blame the Coach for the current state of the team. Here are 5 reasons why the Raptors have performed so poorly in Casey’s second year with the team:
    1. Who cares about bench rotation when most of your bench sucks? How do you stick with a rotation when you're trying to find capable NBA players? For God's sake we've got Dominic McGuire in our starting lineup. I'm not sure this guy should even be in the NBA, let alone starting for a team!
    2. What is 'offensive identity'? Please explain this.
    3. We can't compare the defense of this team and last year's team because so many changes have been made to the roster.
    4. This point I do tend to agree with, the combo thing makes no sense to me.
    5. I don't see any correlation with team growth and making decisions to help your team win. The only way this team wins more games is by improving the talent level or developing the younger players.

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    Should the Raptors replace him now and throw in the proverbial towel for the season? If Colangelo does this and it does not affect the team’s record in a positive way then his job will definitely be on the line at the end of the season. My suggestion to this conundrum is to fire the current coach and replace him with someone who has a proven record of improving a team. The list is short with coaches that can perform miracles and are available: Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Nate McMillan and Stan Van Gundy.

    My personal favorite in this list is McMillan. He was able to perform well in Portland with a similar roaster and ongoing injuries.
    McMillan is the only guy in this list who would even consider coaching this team, and he has a far worse record than Casey. Casey is the right man for this job. Not many can take a roster devoid of talent and make it into a playoff team. That takes a lot of luck and honestly, if you rely on miracles then you're not building a team, you're building a dream. I'd rather that we build a team that can that lasts, than get some guy to somehow motivate bad players to winning.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Memphis is 5th in ppg and 4th in offensive rating.... only 2 guys who can shoot the 3.
    Well, there is a difference, where your bigs are able to get better shots. They space the floor well, inside the arc, and are great at big-to-big action. Something not many teams have.

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