Why Is Everyone So Focused On The Raps?

[enlightenment]

Im in Kelowna, and I still care that the Jays are relevant.

Not so much Argos.

BC Lions won it last year and they got little more than a "yippee" from me..

[ebrian]

It's only the truth if YOU believe it. As slaw said, this is nonsense, and I don't agree at all.

Hard for me to defend because I haven't really followed the Jays closely in over 15 years, but just because the team hasn't developed any 'superstars' doesn't make my statement untrue. Just because Alex Rios didn't turn out a superstar, doesn't mean the statement is untrue either. The Jays have historically invested heavily in their farm system, then proceeded to trade out (from this strength) every few years to make a splash in the trade markets and try to compete. This recent trade with the Marlins is no different. Will they succeed with this latest trade of players who led the Marlins to a 60+ win season? Doubtful. Did the Marlins get a whole bunch of good prospects? Undoubtedly yes. Will they become superstars, who knows.

[slaw]

That's odd.. how did my reply end up above your post?

Anyway, the point is that the Jays are farming up good players and every few years they trade them out to get vets and make a run. It won't work. It just won't. Logically this makes absolutely no sense (ie it COULD work), but I'm predicting it won't using the same logic I used to conclude the Raptors would continue to suck this year.

Hopefully I'm wrong.. but in all honesty I could not care less. Sitting in an empty ACC pretending to watch hockey being played is more exciting to me than watching baseball.

Again, this is just plain wrong. The Jays have absolutely never operated this way. Ever.

If anything, the Jays biggest issue the last decade has been that they haven't really developed anyone from their own farm system. It's only in the last few years (Arencibia, Romero) that they've drafted everyday players. Even most of their good young players (Lawrie, D'arnaud, Gose, Rasmus, Morrow) were all acquired via trade.

[pillowmint]

The Argos just won a championship. The Blue Jays are relevant! Go out and celebrate!(especially,because that fat fuck got fired!)

Instead of crabbing about how shit the raptors are...youve actually got some positive and yet, are still focused on the negative. Has it just been a negative,depressing,losing culture for that long, that toronto fans don't know what else to do!?

The raptors are doing as expected and people are getting mad. Meanwhile, as i mentioned the thing about the argos and the jays...heck, i think even the marlies are doing good(?)...so, quit your depressed, angst-ridden rants, take a breath, and look at all this positive.

Hell, the lockout keeps you from having to watch the maple laughs stink up the place!

Seriously, the raptors sucking is nothing new. A major toronto team(sorry, toronto rock)winning a championship and the blue jays being relevant is!

Because my life is so awesome I need something awful just to keep me grounded. So I figured, hey? Why not?

[NoPropsneeded]

Not everyone likes those sports y'know. I don't watch anything but basketball

[LBF]

Not everyone likes those sports y'know. I don't watch anything but basketball

Open your mind and change the channel once in a while...

[LBF]

Im going to try to respond tp every replt in one post.

First, the CFL is not a jokeleague and a sold-out greycup at rogers center proves this. Anyone, who says it is,is talking out their ass.

Second, I live in Hamilton,Ontari. and am ati-cat fan,so, i hate the argos.So, everyone who calls me atypical fan in the gta can suck it!

Thirdly, it doesn't matter if you follow the sport or not. A championship is cause for a celebration. I know so many people who celebrate when Canada wins gold and don't watch hockey.

Fourthly, for those of you outside of toronto,who don't celebrate the argos winning and don't follow the jays. I realize there is no hockey, either. But, you seem to have missed the parts about theraptorssucking is nothing new...if you honestly, expected a betterrecord it would be what like 5 wins by now instead of 3!? I mean,really...

Fifthly,those saying the jays are expecting to win with the same miami core that won them 60 games are lying to themselves. We already had a decent team here and we didn't trade away any of our main guys...so,how exactly are we the same core as miami? Last time I checked, Miami didn't have Bautista,Encarnacion,Lind,Rasmus,Lawrie,Cabrera,Ro mero,Morrow,etc. Who are all in toronto's starting line-ups...

I'd also like to touch on just how awful the grey-cup half-time show was, as well as burton cummings butchering the anthem...

Back to the raps, as this is a raps forum. We are a team that is full of unproven, young guys and our two best players are complimentary pieces. What were you expecting? It's also early.

Furthermore, I actually want the raps to lose as should you guys because we need all the chances we can get at drafting/collecting highly-touted prospects. We need a top 5 pick player besides Valanciunas, we've needed one for god knows...I belive we are in the process much like the jays were of piling up prospects,so, that you get enough that you are able to pick the one's that are the right fit and ship out the rest for some talent.

It's been as follows on thisforum since Bosh left. There is a strong focus on how crap the team is as if something better is to be expected and there is a group that lie to themselves about just how big the positives are(they aren't big)...everyone is not looking at the big picture or let's say, future. They are for some reason looking at the present and expecting more, when that is wrong. We aren't looking hard enough or focusing enough at the future to actually realize it is quite promising,maybe even more legitely now than potentially.

Finally,I am fine. I post quite often in the off-topic and unrelated to basketball sports forum. There is a lot more interesting conversation to be had there than in this one currently. It's also more fun than all the same old crap regurgitated on this forum.

I feel the need once in a while to shake things up and ruffle some feathers in here and I felt it was overdue.

[NoPropsneeded]

Open your mind and change the channel once in a while...

I tried, i just prefer basketball. I don't have time to watch all those sports anyway

[ebrian]

Again, this is just plain wrong. The Jays have absolutely never operated this way. Ever.

If anything, the Jays biggest issue the last decade has been that they haven't really developed anyone from their own farm system. It's only in the last few years (Arencibia, Romero) that they've drafted everyday players. Even most of their good young players (Lawrie, D'arnaud, Gose, Rasmus, Morrow) were all acquired via trade.

So what you're saying is, they aren't the MLB farm team, but they are still an afterthought?

[heinz57]

i was listening to the radio before the grey cup... and they were interviewing Pinball Clemons..

and i realized....

i cant name a single Argo since he played.

[ebrian]

i was listening to the radio before the grey cup... and they were interviewing Pinball Clemons..

and i realized....

i cant name a single Argo since he played.

Replace "Argo" with "CFL player" and you've just described me.

[Nilanka]

First, the CFL is not a jokeleague and a sold-out greycup at rogers center proves this. Anyone, who says it is,is talking out their ass.

A joke league that happens to have fans, is still a joke league. How else do we explain the WNBA? :P

[ebrian]

A joke league that happens to have fans, is still a joke league. How else do we explain the WNBA? :P

I wouldn't call the CFL a joke league.. if it were a joke it would have folded years ago. There's definitely fans out there who like to watch it. There's just not that many of them. For example, I noticed walking around downtown last week there were tons of people wearing green Saskatchewan Roughriders jackets. At the Raptors game there were tons of people wearing that same green jacket. That confused me because I could have sworn it was Calgary vs Toronto. Obviously there's a lot of people out there who love to watch it, even if it's an inferior product made up largely of players who couldn't cut it in better league(s).

I suppose every country other than the US has a similar case. In fact I bet at this very minute, at Bogut's Republic forums, there's a bunch of guys mocking one dude for following the National Basketball League of Australia.

[BasketballCrush]

Jim Kelly loves the National Basketball League of Australia.

[LBF]

The CFL is not a joke league. The only people who think it is live in Toronto.

You go out west and it is second to hockey. It is the first and only in some places.

If the cfl was a joke league, they would not be able to get,as i much as i hate to say this,Justin Bieber and all them to play the half-time show. In years past theyve had, the black eyed peas,nickleback,etc. Now on a personal level i dont like those bands,but,they are/were at the time the top bands in the world.

It is a nationally broadcasted league on radio and on television. They even show a couple games a year on the NFL network.

Even if it is "inferior" to the nfl,which i dont think it is, in every way. Why should it matter?

I mean these guys sure as hell are better at footbalk than any of us and bigger,faster,stronger than any of us most likely. Its entertainment at it's finest.

Anyone who hates it is because they are pretentious snobs who think they are better than it. What makes you better than anyone of the players,coaches,etc.?

All those players,coaches,etc. are living out their dream! How many of you even pursued your dream!? Man,they don't fucking care if it's the NFL,CFL,UFL,XFL, whatever FL! Their dream was football and that's what they're doing.

How about you guys?

[Nilanka]

The Scotties Tournament of Hearts is not a joke league. The only people who think it is live in Toronto.

You go out east and it is second to hockey. It is the first and only in some places.

It is a nationally broadcasted league on radio and on television.

I mean these guys sure as hell are better at curling than any of us and bigger,faster,stronger than any of us most likely. Its entertainment at it's finest.

Anyone who hates it is because they are pretentious snobs who think they are better than it. What makes you better than anyone of the players,coaches,etc.?

All those players,coaches,etc. are living out their dream! How many of you even pursued your dream!? Their dream was curling and that's what they're doing.

You get the idea....

[ebrian]

I started writing this reply to be about agreeing that CFLers are better than me at "footbalk", but I decided to stop.

I suppose he's right. It's pretentious of us to mock a league just because we think it's inferior to another league.

I will stop now. I liked that comment someone made about why they have 3 downs though.. that field is so big.. every time I see a CFL highlight on Sportsnet, the guy was completely wide open when he made the catch. But I suppose someone must like seeing stuff like that.. for the same reason people turn on "God mode" when they play video games.

[Nilanka]

It's not pretentious to critique the CFL, in the same way it's not pretentious to critique a movie. Nothing wrong with saying you dislike something (for whatever reason).

Getting offended by such critique, now that's where the problem lies....