I'm not sold on this type of deal. I can understand it, and it seems logical. In a lot of ways it makes complete sense for both the Lakers and the Raptors. Gasol would be a great piece to help Valanciunas develop, and his passing out of the post would really help with ball movement in the Raptors offense.
My problem with this type of deal is that it uses the two best trade assets that we have and I'm not sure it makes us that much better...or gives the Raptors a very high ceiling. I have no idea how the Raptors could do better, but I would hope that they can. I suppose by 'better' I mean I would prefer pieces that would fit with the core that the Raptors are building.
Although they have not been the most successful moves for BC, I have appreciated his efforts to take on high ceiling prospects who are needing a change of scenery: J. Johnson, Bayless, and even now Lowry (which is working out).
Aminu, D. Williams, T. Evans (was not extended...), etc.
Stephen Brotherston's chat today was essentially 1) the Raptors don't want to get any younger, 2) JC/AB is too much for Gasol,
Bill Ingram (he covers the Rockets) has a bit in HoopsWorld.com this evening:
If I were making decisions in Toronto right now, I'd be trying to do everything possible to facilitate any trade between Houston and LA for Gasol. To make any trade for Gasol, Houston would have to send out about $11.6M in salary. Houston has interesting young pieces and expiring contracts. Some of those expiring contracts and young pieces should be sent to Toronto.Enter the Houston Rockets. Well, re-enter the Rockets, as it were. The Rockets traded for Pau Gasol once before because they were looking for an All-Star front court player to get them out of the middle of the Western Conference pack, and they are still looking for that player. Sure, they have shipped out just about everyone who was on the team that acquired Gasol in a deal that was nixed by the NBA last year, but their new mix of players are very much like their last mix. They have a couple of star-quality pieces surrounded by a bunch of young, up-and-coming talents. If the Lakers were to re-initiate talks with Houston surrounding Gasol they could very likely land three younger, cheaper pieces who could help them right away.
For all of their changes, the Rockets are still sitting in the middle of the Western Conference pack, on course to land the same #14 pick in the draft that they have had three years running. They need an impact front court player to break them out of that mold. Pau Gasol, meanwhile, is really at his best when he is the second option on a team. He wasn’t able to be the first option in Memphis, but as Kobe Bryant’s second he rose to champion status. There’s good reason to believe he could have similar success playing second to Houston’s James Harden.
It’s too early to blow up the Lakers, but then it was too early to fire a head coach, too. Everything is accelerated when it comes to the world’s favorite NBA team, and the scrutiny of so many might just inspire the Lakers to pull the trigger on another franchise-changing trade.
The Rockets would love nothing more than to be a part of that.
Brotherston talks about Toronto not wanting to get any younger, but lets face it, this season is nearly lost in terms of making the playoffs barring a 5-0 road trip coming up. In my opinion there is no question Houston has better prospects (Jones, Machado, Motiejunas, Parsons) than this year's draft outside the top 2. This is a great year to not worry about the pick and to lose it.
Toronto would be much better off developing the culture that was started last season - i.e. get back to grind it out, protect the paint, rebound, Casey-style ball. Throw big minutes to Ross and JV. Clear the PF log jam and clear the log jam that has developed on the wing - although the problem with the Raptors log jams especially on the wing is not a big enough difference in talent between starters and deep reserves (this, of course, is not a new problem in Toronto). Get more players that can grow with the pieces you want around for the next 5 years. Oh yeah, figure out who is worth keeping - we all know Bargnani is not.
SG: DeRozan, Ross
PF: one of Amir/Davis
To be determined:
Non-Keeper or does not matter:
Back to Houston, take on their expiring contracts and get 2 young pieces. Motiejunas is #1 on my books followed very closely by Parsons. Machado might be nice. Terrence Jones would be another. If Casey wants shooters, Cook is a great one - and expiring. Houston taking on Gasol also eliminates a player in free agency this summer when there will be some great players available (Millsap?). Raptors can be a player in free agency if Bargnani and 1 of Amir/Kleiza/Fields is moved.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Parsons is a guy i'd LOVE to acquire. he's criminally underrated and a pure Casey guy.
Just having fun:
Solves all our problems eh?!
Most pressing of which, getting Matt Bonner back here ;D
The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
I do like that SA trade. But would SA go for it? There would have to be some picks going their way.
Bargnani + Kleiza for Pau works on trade machine
Why would anyone trade both Calderon and Bargnani for Gasol.
Great trade for LA .... not so much for TO.
I would trade Bargnani for a bag of balls, just to get out from under his contract and get the rest of our bigs more minutes on the court. If the Lakers would do it, I would pull the trigger on Gasol (plus maybe duhon?) for Calderon and Bargnani in an instant.
There is ZERO reason to trade bargnani "just to get out from under his contract". We can do that as we like with the Amnesty clause (at least for cap purposes). Therefore if we're going to trade Barg we won't be taking back any bad contracts or bad players.
You guys do know Bargnani is better than Pau right? why would we want Pau? ....
I think BC should do this trade. Get the team to win a couple of games to mask the need, downplay the need then try to work a trade for an SF. IMO, Gasol is a definite improvement over Bargnani. If JV was already playing to his potential, then Bargnani would be the perfect compliment to him, but right now, they still need that interior presence that Gasol can definitely provide.
With Calderon, he is playing good and helping the team, but i think he's making it hard for Lowry to play his actual game. Not by fault of his own, but because Casey feels the need to give Calderon heavy minutes since he is orchestrating the offense well. Id rather put the ball in Lowry's hands and get him to work the offense.
I dont get the reasoning behind "reasonable contract" when it comes to Bargnani, even if he's paid $20 per hour, if his play is not resulting in wins, why deliriously hang on to a "reasonable contract"?
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