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    I like it.
    I think I want to vomit - gasol is older slower injured'er SIGN OF THE TIMES
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    Will Lakers swap Gasol for Bargnani & Calderon?

    Gasol has been thrown out there for weeks, most notably in a potential deal to Toronto for Bargnani and Calderon, each of whom fills definite holes in the L.A. roster -- a stretch four and a legit point who could spell or replace Steve Nash. But despite a lot of smoke, there doesn't appear to be any fire, at least at the moment.

    The Lakers, according to league sources, remain adamant that they want to see Gasol and Nash together and healthy before making any final judgments on whether to move Gasol and the $37.2 million left on his contract extension. They believe that Gasol, while not being a classic stretch four, can work in D'Antoni's system. For their part, D'Antoni and his players think the same thing (see above).

    According to the invaluable Mark Deeks at Sham Sports, Gasol also has a 15 percent trade kicker on his deal, meaning a team would have to cough up an extra $5.74 million on top of the $38.285 million left on his contract -- as well as a pro-rated 15 percent of the remainder of Gasol's $18.7 million this season -- if it wants the 32-year-old. (That $5.74 million would be split in each of the remaining two years of Gasol's contract, or $2.37 million per year that would be added to the team salary of whoever acquired him.)

    The Raptors, sources say, are leery of taking a flier on yet another international player, despite Gasol's obvious and longstanding talents. GM Bryan Colangelo has gone this route before, remember -- signing Jorge Garbajosa, drafting Bargnani, signing Hedo Turkoglu -- and even though Gasol would fit in with just about any team, including, most assuredly, the 7-19 Raptors, Toronto isn't ready to pull the trigger.

    Besides, Bargnani's torn elbow is expected to keep him out another month, making a deal for him unlikely until he returns. The same goes for Calderon; with starter Kyle Lowry (torn triceps) out for a while, the Raptors have to keep Calderon, in the final year of his contract, around. (He also has a trade kicker, 10 percent.)

    But if a Lakers deal for Bargnani isn't in the cards, league sources are convinced the Raptors will eventually move him somewhere. "Bryan is going to move him, no doubt," a rival GM said Sunday evening.

    Colangelo said Sunday that he was not under the gun to win this season from the team's new owners, even though the Raptors got Lowry from Houston this summer -- after an unsuccessful courtship of Steve Nash -- precisely because they wanted to jump-start their team's performance this season, feeling a legit point guard would help the likes of DeMar DeRozan and rookie center Jonas Valanciunas.

    "We're not going to bow to pressure," Colangelo said. "That pressure is obviously something that's important to all of us, because we play a game that's based on pressure. Hopefully we respond to the pressure. We're not going to make any quick, rash moves."

    (If Calderon is dealt, my guess is it won't be for Gasol, or for any player, but to a team that can send Toronto a pick back and create a huge $15.6 million trade exception for the Raptors.)

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    I was surprised by the international bit by Aldridge. Where a player is from is irrelevant in my opinion. And he is wrong on the trade kicker. Gasol is already max - can't get anymore than max. With all that said, I don't want the Raps to take on Gasol but it has nothing to do with where he is from.
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    Are people still talking about this rumoured trade? Bryan has to do something to save his job, but trading for Gasol would be idiotic.. unless he plans to rebuild in another 2 years when Gasol's contract is off the books.

    Bryan needs to stop getting high priced vets (*cough* JO *cough) and rebuild properly. I have no problem with vets, but a vet that will pout for being on a bad team and has tendinitis is not a good idea. Bryan would be better off letting Jose go in free agency and then amnestying Bargnani. Flipping Gasol as an expiring contract is easier said then done (most teams won't have the cap space to take on Gasol's whopping salary even in his final year, and if they did, they would unload crappy players with long term deals in the process).

    Bryan needs to work hard to get a 3rd team (or possibly 4th team) involved or try and make a deal with a different team. It would be sweet to see the Lakers fail with Gasol and then have Howard go somewhere else in free agency. I hate the Lakers.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Are people still talking about this rumoured trade? Bryan has to do something to save his job, but trading for Gasol would be idiotic.. unless he plans to rebuild in another 2 years when Gasol's contract is off the books.

    Bryan needs to stop getting high priced vets (*cough* JO *cough) and rebuild properly. I have no problem with vets, but a vet that will pout for being on a bad team and has tendinitis is not a good idea. Bryan would be better off letting Jose go in free agency and then amnestying Bargnani. Flipping Gasol as an expiring contract is easier said then done (most teams won't have the cap space to take on Gasol's whopping salary even in his final year, and if they did, they would unload crappy players with long term deals in the process).

    Bryan needs to work hard to get a 3rd team (or possibly 4th team) involved or try and make a deal with a different team. It would be sweet to see the Lakers fail with Gasol and then have Howard go somewhere else in free agency. I hate the Lakers.
    Agreed.

    Barbosa yielded little. Peja nothing.

    Calderon will be interesting to see what happens.

    The only question I have is does the new luxury tax and CBA add any value to Gasol's deal next summer when the stiffer penalties will be due?
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    Agreed.

    Barbosa yielded little. Peja nothing.

    Calderon will be interesting to see what happens.

    The only question I have is does the new luxury tax and CBA add any value to Gasol's deal next summer when the stiffer penalties will be due?
    Actually I just thought of something.. The 2014 free agency class looks superb (Lebron, Wade, Anthony, Gay, Deng, Granger, Kobe, Iggy, Ellis, Parker, Lowry, Dirk, Bosh, Amare, ZBo could all be free agents).

    A team may want to take Pau to become players in free agency. That is the same year Wiggins will be available.. Hmmmm.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I was surprised by the international bit by Aldridge. Where a player is from is irrelevant in my opinion. And he is wrong on the trade kicker. Gasol is already max - can't get anymore than max. With all that said, I don't want the Raps to take on Gasol but it has nothing to do with where he is from.
    How bout this?
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Barbosa yielded little. Peja nothing.
    Do you really think these are legit comparables? Peja was awful and Barbosa was (and is) a 1 trick pony. Barbosa had almsot no interest even as a free agent. You can't honestly say the same if Gasol was a UFA this year.

    While I can agree that Gasol's contract could be too big to trade as an expiring deal, I don't think there is a legit comparison to guage his value.
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    Do you really think these are legit comparables? Peja was awful and Barbosa was (and is) a 1 trick pony. Barbosa had almsot no interest even as a free agent. You can't honestly say the same if Gasol was a UFA this year.

    While I can agree that Gasol's contract could be too big to trade as an expiring deal, I don't think there is a legit comparison to guage his value.
    It is more an issue of the valuable trade chips and assets that has been flaunted by Raps brass before that has resulted in nothing.

    Each situation is independent of each other but the end result has been the same.

    Notice I did say it would be interesting to see what happens.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I was surprised by the international bit by Aldridge. Where a player is from is irrelevant in my opinion. And he is wrong on the trade kicker. Gasol is already max - can't get anymore than max. With all that said, I don't want the Raps to take on Gasol but it has nothing to do with where he is from.
    Have to agree with that. The guy has been the core of a championship team and played in the league for years. When does where you're from stop being relevant? Especially to mention this for the reason Bryan would be leery when there are other legitimate reasons (like a 32 yr old with wonky knees who has nearly $40 million left on his contract)

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    [QUOTE=Matt52;172198]It is more an issue of the valuable trade chips and assets that has been flaunted by Raps brass before that has resulted in nothing. QUOTE]

    I honestly don't remember there being much value being touted about those two. Perhaps my memory is wrong.
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    [QUOTE=Axel;172224]
    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    It is more an issue of the valuable trade chips and assets that has been flaunted by Raps brass before that has resulted in nothing. QUOTE]

    I honestly don't remember there being much value being touted about those two. Perhaps my memory is wrong.
    You may very well be right.

    I think I was taking everything Colangelo said at the time as gospel and, well, that was a mistake on my part.
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    Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

    Lakers PG Steve Nash will play tonight, USA TODAY Sports has learned - http://usat.ly/Zrt9GT

    Lakers point guard Steve Nash will play tonight against Golden State, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports.

    The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss his situation. Nash has been out since Oct. 31 with a left leg injury. The Lakers have struggled this season without Nash directing new coach Mike D'Antoni's offense.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...debut/1786753/

    Let the rumours start again.

    Anyone else hoping Nash doesn't fix the Pau situation?
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Let the rumours start again.

    Anyone else hoping Nash doesn't fix the Pau situation?
    Yes and no.... On one hand I want bargs gone and Gasol is a winner and a vet... On the other hand I'd rather the raps get younger when they trade calderon/bargs and Pau won't help that... Although he could be great for JV... On another (third?) hand do I trust Lowry to run the raptors offence? Not sure I do.

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    Just wondering if anyone is following the Laker games man they just do not mesh. Pau looks so lost every game this trade seems more likely. Even though I still hope its a 3 way trade and Pau isn't a Raptor.

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    Quote AJ360 wrote: View Post
    Yes and no.... On one hand I want bargs gone and Gasol is a winner and a vet... On the other hand I'd rather the raps get younger when they trade calderon/bargs and Pau won't help that... Although he could be great for JV... On another (third?) hand do I trust Lowry to run the raptors offence? Not sure I do.
    On the third hand the Raps could always be the 3rd team in any deal and get the best of both worlds.
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    Gotta say, that makes absolutely no sense from Atlanta's perspective. They take on extra salary for extra years and get worse players who don't fill any need.

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    Well, things aren't going any easier for the Lakers and Gasol with Nash back. Gasol has a stinker last night: 27mins, 1-6, 2pts, 4 rebs, 2 ast, 2 blk, 1 to, 0-2 3pt, benched 4th quarter.

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...-request-trade



    Sadly, if the rumours are true, Minnesota still sports wood for Gasol but LAL is not interested in the return goods. Enter a third team. My hope had been Toronto with a combination of Bargnani and whoever else. Sadly, again if rumours are true, Raps have big time competition in Milwaukee as Ilyasova is reportedly on the block. A quick comparison shows Ersan with an advantage in just about every statistical category and he would cost about $3M less per year and is 2 years younger with less injury history. Milwaukee also has a cheaper, expiring, and pretty good backup PG option in Udrih as well as Dalembert's expiring contract who would be a good backup to Howard.

    All I can say is: sh!t.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Well, things aren't going any easier for the Lakers and Gasol with Nash back. Gasol has a stinker last night: 27mins, 1-6, 2pts, 4 rebs, 2 ast, 2 blk, 1 to, 0-2 3pt, benched 4th quarter.

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...-request-trade



    Sadly, if the rumours are true, Minnesota still sports wood for Gasol but LAL is not interested in the return goods. Enter a third team. My hope had been Toronto with a combination of Bargnani and whoever else. Sadly, again if rumours are true, Raps have big time competition in Milwaukee as Ilyasova is reportedly on the block. A quick comparison shows Ersan with an advantage in just about every statistical category and he would cost about $3M less per year and is 2 years younger with less injury history. Milwaukee also has a cheaper, expiring, and pretty good backup PG option in Udrih as well as Dalembert's expiring contract who would be a good backup to Howard.

    All I can say is: sh!t.
    From purely a basketball perspective, wouldn't most people rather have Bargnani and Calderon? Sadly, a lot of my friends are Laker fans, and they watch a lot of Raptors basketball enough to know the strengths/weaknesses of the two, but the consensus thought of my friends were "man, that would be a steal to possibly acquire both!"

    To be quick, LA is struggling to play basketball, Bargnani would be able to add a pure stretch-4 to the lineup, which betters their rotation compared to a tweener, and they have a locked position at the point guard spot. Money doesn't seem to be a problem for LA, but if that were the topic, $10 million off the books via Calderon's last year.

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    Is Gasol the 2nd shoe to drop?


    "I'm a competitor, I'm a guy that thinks I bring a lot to the table, and not being on the floor is something that I don't like, I don't appreciate," Gasol said.

    Gasol had seven points, seven rebounds and seven assists in 21 minutes as the Lakers built an 83-73 lead through the first three quarters.

    "It's a challenge," Gasol said when asked about toeing the line and accepting D'Antoni's decision so that he doesn't take away from the team while still defending his personal ability. "We're challenged every day, and I'm challenged every day to keep my calm and keep my peace and not let my emotions take over my words."

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...rs-win-hornets

    I have to say if Calderon, Davis, and Bargnani can turn in to Gay and Gasol, that is fairly impressive by Colangelo. Sadly the season may likely be lost by the time anything came about.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Is Gasol the 2nd shoe to drop?

    I have to say if Calderon, Davis, and Bargnani can turn in to Gay and Gasol, that is fairly impressive by Colangelo. Sadly the season may likely be lost by the time anything came about.
    I actually wont mind, in fact, id prefer it if they're already out of the playoff picture after acquiring these guys.

    One, plenty of rest for these old timers, hehehe, address health issues, conditioning, etc.
    Two, more time to assess the situation, what other pieces are needed

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