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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    This is such a random trade though. As much as it would be an upgrade, Gasol is not what we need. It's too late to make the playoffs this year. And we better be getting a ball handler back, because by the looks of things John Lucas III is not equipped to ride shotgun this year.
    i think pau would be exactly what we need this year. that and getting rid of amir. i would send amir out for anything another team would give for him, addition by subtraction. pau is a winner and a perrenial all star, a real banger down low. great in practice for ed/bigV and great for everyone in the locker room. guy has been in playoff game 7s and come out a winner. if that kind of player doesn't demand respect in the locker room then our kids can't be taught.

    a bargs for pau trade is best for both players. bargs can go somewhere where he will excel and pau will be put back on the low block where he excels at. the rest of this year might be salvaged and definitly next year, even if we lose our pick, we will be better and finally the next year he is 20 million trade chip or right off the payroll.

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    I would like to get younger not older... I wish we could get a good big prospect instead

    not crazy about this trade it should include at least 2 1st round picks since LA's pick is usually 20+

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    LA can't give us any first-rounders for a long time. Believe they've got 2013 and 2015 to Suns, 2017 to Magic, though there's some conditions in there. We'd probably be waiting until 2020 to get one first-rounder back.

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    I dont think you can expect much back for AB. He is terrible. Addition by subtraction is exactly what it will be. I dont even see why the Lakers would want this guy. There is 7 years of empirical evidence that anyone with an internet connection can look at to see why you wouldn't want him.

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    I dont think you can expect much back for AB. He is terrible. Addition by subtraction is exactly what it will be. I dont even see why the Lakers would want this guy. There is 7 years of empirical evidence that anyone with an internet connection can look at to see why you wouldn't want him.
    this I disagree with fully. Kobe at the 2 and Howard at the 5 and bargs puts up 15 to 20 a night doing what he does best. if you watch the Lakers this year, not an insulting if you just a general if you, you will see Pau gets a lot of open looks where he is just a spot up shooter. now put bargs there and he doesn't even need to worry about a pump fake or one dribble jumper. it is simply stand here bargs, catch and shoot. 7 years of evidence shows he is fantastic at one thing. in la he literally only has one thing to do. perfect scenario for him.

    it would even vindicate the pick for bc, after the fact. 5 years down the road he isn't the enigmatic bargs we know. he is the multiple champion jumpshot 7 footer bc always thought he could be.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    this I disagree with fully. Kobe at the 2 and Howard at the 5 and bargs puts up 15 to 20 a night doing what he does best. if you watch the Lakers this year, not an insulting if you just a general if you, you will see Pau gets a lot of open looks where he is just a spot up shooter. now put bargs there and he doesn't even need to worry about a pump fake or one dribble jumper. it is simply stand here bargs, catch and shoot. 7 years of evidence shows he is fantastic at one thing. in la he literally only has one thing to do. perfect scenario for him.

    it would even vindicate the pick for bc, after the fact. 5 years down the road he isn't the enigmatic bargs we know. he is the multiple champion jumpshot 7 footer bc always thought he could be.

    #freebargs
    Yeah, and when they give up 40 points a quarter none of what you wrote about his offense will matter.

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    Quote Pill wrote: View Post
    Yeah, and when they give up 40 points a quarter none of what you wrote about his offense will matter.
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    If I may add ... Lakers haven't had a pg even remotely solid on defence in the past maybe 10 years, due to age since Lakers have comprised of veterans.

    Calderon's defence won't be a hindrance in their pursuit for more players that fit D'antoni's system.

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    I just got the little light bulb in my head. this is pure fantasy and I am looking into bcs' mind. maybe he is hoping the Lakers want to improve their bench more with a Calderon amir and klieza trade for pau. haha. that would be awesome. maybe do some d'antoni convincing klieza can start at their four. he has the long 2 range they need. amir gets them a bit younger and Jose fills up their pg spot. oh if only. then their is No reason bargs can't be the 6th man. my only worry is they would move bigv to the bench and start pau while feeding us that this is what he needs.

    this is of course not ever going to happen. just speculating on what bc might be thinking in not including bargs

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    Calderon + Bargnani + 2nd round picks for Pau Gasol + 1st rounder? Possibly?

    I really like this trade, Pau Gasol is a respected winner around the league, and is one of the best offensive post players in the league. No doubt, he has great length, and experience that can help our big guys Ed & JV. Not to mention he will become our 1st or 2nd option, which is not all too bad with a guy of his calibre.

    Cons of this trade though is the tendinitis, and the age at the early 30's, plus his contract being so large. But, isn't Pau an expiring contract next season?

    Anyways, at this point, anything for Bargnani is a +1 for me. Losing Calderon though gets me a little down, if we could, I would love to include a third team to ship Amir of a returning PG.

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    been saying this would be the best potential trade for AB/Jose out there for months

    For L Jose shores up their traditionally terrible PG play while giveing them Nash and poor mans Nash. GREAT for offensive continuity, especially given Nashs age and growing minutes cap. AB gives them the midrange jump shooter at PF they need, especially in a D'Antoni system where Howard will get the STAT role, not the PF. In whatever kind of revised ssol system he's implementing AB will fill out the Diaw style role. This trade also helps them smooth out their cap and age issues a bit.

    What it doesn't help LAL do anything about is defend the point of attack. Westbrook, Parker, Lillard, Curry etc are gonna continue to rip the Lakers up but that isn't getting solved in any other available trade rumoured out there anyway. I think Lakers win this. Hell, even a 2 pg situational lineup would be kinda nuts, putting Kobe at the 3, Andrea at the 4 and D12 at the pivot? Straight buckets.

    Toronto however... I mean it's a talent upgrade but it doesn't fit age-wise or rebuild wise. Gasol gets played out of position in LA. He's really more of a centre and we've got one of those so he'll likely be slotted in with JV but I like him better at 5 with Ed or Amir. Maybe he'd help JV grow, specially on offence, and be a valuable chip next year. Toronto's only real hope is a high draft pick in '14 (looking like a fairly studded lotto, but Wiggins makes me drool) or a miracle trade. Gasol may help the Raps this year a bit. Hopefully not enough to save BCs job but just enough to shut up some of the calls for DCs head. I agree to some extent that this is addition by subtraction but it's not like Pau is done. I think he's pretty unappreciated by some folks. Gasol is a great player and can really ball, even in his old age.

    What the REAL issue for TO would then be is the backup PG. JL3? C'mon now. KLow isn't exactly an iron man and "Just Launching 3s" isn't a real option for a long term fill-in. Steve Blake for Linas? works cap wise but I really hate SB.
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    BC is right, we need more than Pau for Bargs and Calderon. What is the expectation for our PGs this season? Is it possible Calderon can net us something better? I don't think this trade works unless there is a third team involved.
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    BC is right, we need more than Pau for Bargs and Calderon. What is the expectation for our PGs this season? Is it possible Calderon can net us something better? I don't think this trade works unless there is a third team involved.
    Doubt it. Calderon has been on and off the block his whole time as a raptor and other than Tyson BEFORE the Mavs that was the best deal and that was 2 years ago.

    Pau is the best player in this trade scenario by a country mile.
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    Just get Pau.... I cannot stand it anymore : |
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    Quote minks77 wrote: View Post
    been saying this would be the best potential trade for AB/Jose out there for months

    For L Jose shores up their traditionally terrible PG play while giveing them Nash and poor mans Nash. GREAT for offensive continuity, especially given Nashs age and growing minutes cap. AB gives them the midrange jump shooter at PF they need, especially in a D'Antoni system where Howard will get the STAT role, not the PF. In whatever kind of revised ssol system he's implementing AB will fill out the Diaw style role. This trade also helps them smooth out their cap and age issues a bit.

    What it doesn't help LAL do anything about is defend the point of attack. Westbrook, Parker, Lillard, Curry etc are gonna continue to rip the Lakers up but that isn't getting solved in any other available trade rumoured out there anyway. I think Lakers win this. Hell, even a 2 pg situational lineup would be kinda nuts, putting Kobe at the 3, Andrea at the 4 and D12 at the pivot? Straight buckets.

    Toronto however... I mean it's a talent upgrade but it doesn't fit age-wise or rebuild wise. Gasol gets played out of position in LA. He's really more of a centre and we've got one of those so he'll likely be slotted in with JV but I like him better at 5 with Ed or Amir. Maybe he'd help JV grow, specially on offence, and be a valuable chip next year. Toronto's only real hope is a high draft pick in '14 (looking like a fairly studded lotto, but Wiggins makes me drool) or a miracle trade. Gasol may help the Raps this year a bit. Hopefully not enough to save BCs job but just enough to shut up some of the calls for DCs head. I agree to some extent that this is addition by subtraction but it's not like Pau is done. I think he's pretty unappreciated by some folks. Gasol is a great player and can really ball, even in his old age.

    What the REAL issue for TO would then be is the backup PG. JL3? C'mon now. KLow isn't exactly an iron man and "Just Launching 3s" isn't a real option for a long term fill-in. Steve Blake for Linas? works cap wise but I really hate SB.
    i cant remember if i posted it or not but i added morris in this trade. i also think blake is a good to really good back up.

    i think i remember pau playing the 4 for the grizz but not sure.

    my favourite part of your post is it might be enough for bc to keep his job and hoping it isn't. haha

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    I think you have to pull the trigger. Gasol's trade value might be at an all-time low but so is Bargnani.

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    Usually, I'm skeptical of fans wanting certain player(s) out. However in this instance, I agree with everyone's assessments. Pau's hefty contract and weak knees don't personally phase me. I believe that his veteran leadership and tutelage can help this team. He's tougher the Bargs and should have a drastically positive influence on JV. If anything, I just want AB out for this reason. You really want his lethargic presence to rub off on big Val. What exactly is he learning from the team's "best player"?
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    BC is right, we need more than Pau for Bargs and Calderon. What is the expectation for our PGs this season? Is it possible Calderon can net us something better? I don't think this trade works unless there is a third team involved.
    There's blood on the water for both teams. Pressure on the Lakers because "Pau's not adjusting" = pressure on the Raps for the poor record. That makes them a sensible partner. Why bank on Andrea's future potential when his ceiling is already here. Haven't the franchise given him enough time to develop / flourish? We need grit and sandpaper. Andrea and Jose are not those.

    PS> It could be argued that Pau is hardly the sandpaper-type player. Heard that too, but compared to Jose and Andrea, Carlton Banks has more sandpaper in his game.
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    Even if he is hurt we should just move Bargs, Pau could arrive injured and not play a game for a while which would make us start Ed and finally move forward not to mention close gaps in our defense for longer periods in the game. Casey will never have the team he has envisioned while Bargs is a Raptor trade him! Also Pau should be able to teach our bigs quite a few things not to mention be looked up to as he is a multi champion.

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i cant remember if i posted it or not but i added morris in this trade. i also think blake is a good to really good back up.

    i think i remember pau playing the 4 for the grizz but not sure.

    my favourite part of your post is it might be enough for bc to keep his job and hoping it isn't. haha
    Lol, Gotta keep smiling in tough times!

    As for Pau, with the Grizz he played where he was most comfortable: In the low post. The only other centre options they ran with were Jake Tsakalidas and Lorenzen Wright. When LA won they had Pau play with Bynum but their best lineups were when Odom was at the 4 and Pau was at the 5.
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