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    Quote theycallmeZZ wrote: View Post
    Evans is a 25% career 3 pt shooter
    Yeah, you want him shooting those shots.

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    Lowry is the only reason we haven't been blown out more this season. If half the team had his heart and tenacity, we'd be a lot better off. Plus, he hits shots.

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    Quote optifan wrote: View Post
    Not that this is a definitive measure, but Hollinger's ranking has him as the second rated point guard after Chris Paul, with a PER of 23.57.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli.../_/position/pg

    That caught me off guard to be honest. Put whatever stock you want into Hollinger's analysis but it is quite impressive regardless.
    I'm not trying to make a statement about Lowry with this, but PER is arguably the least science based, for lack of a better word, of the advanced stats out there. Perhaps the biggest issue it has is as long as a player is shooting 33%+ from the field it claims that said player is helping the team. Which on a logical level is ludicrous and more than a few other statistics would tell you its plain wrong. The end result is unless you are the worst player in the history of the NBA (Rasual Butler?) just shooting the ball makes you a better player under PER. Ofcourse add that the most common thing a player does is shoot (with the exception of a few guys in the league) and its easy to see how quickly a correlation between shooting = better players under PER would start to form.

    I do think Lowry is a good player, he is however though showing a tendency to make very bad decisions especially during important times. Would just like to see him call his own number a little less often than he does.

    I've also read a few post criticizing Lowry's D. To that I'd like to point out how every single PGs defense on this team has been criticized over the years and especially so under Colangelo's watch. I think we'll find when Il Mago changes the one magic act that will take place is how differently we'll view this team PGs defense.

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    Lowry is exactly as advertised. Great scorer, tough as nails, aggressive defender, strong rebounder, but mediocre decision-maker.

    It's this last characteristic that's keeping Lowry from being a truly "elite" point guard. He needs to cut down on the early shots, and driving uncontrollably into 3 defenders.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Lowry is exactly as advertised. Great scorer, tough as nails, aggressive defender, strong rebounder, but mediocre decision-maker.

    It's this last characteristic that's keeping Lowry from being a truly "elite" point guard. He needs to cut down on the early shots, and driving uncontrollably into 3 defenders.
    And on the 24th post ladies and gentlemen we have a winner. This is Lowry to a T. The guy has all the tools and competitive edge he's just a little immature and forgets he's responsible for keeping everyone involved.

    The guy plays hard and does some glamorous things (getting to the line and rebounding) but he needs to keep that ball moving. How many deep 3's have we seen with the clock still in the 20's or high teens this year? His shot selection and timing of them is what drives some of us nuts. Take the bad with the good and there is no question more good but he's definitely has to move the ball a lot more IMO.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Lowry is exactly as advertised. Great scorer, tough as nails, aggressive defender, strong rebounder, but mediocre decision-maker.

    It's this last characteristic that's keeping Lowry from being a truly "elite" point guard. He needs to cut down on the early shots, and driving uncontrollably into 3 defenders.
    +1, but I'd add play making for teammates, not just himself, to the things to work on.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Lowry is exactly as advertised. Great scorer, tough as nails, aggressive defender, strong rebounder, but mediocre decision-maker.

    It's this last characteristic that's keeping Lowry from being a truly "elite" point guard. He needs to cut down on the early shots, and driving uncontrollably into 3 defenders.
    +1. Close the thread everyone. This is the answer.

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    Character is the biggest issue. His public feud with McChale/resignation from the Rockets suggests that his head is at least partway up his rear (which has to be the reason that Morey gave him up for little). Hopefully, for us, that was just a lack of maturity.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Character is the biggest issue. His public feud with McChale/resignation from the Rockets suggests that his head is at least partway up his rear (which has to be the reason that Morey gave him up for little). Hopefully, for us, that was just a lack of maturity.
    That was his largest issue coming out of college. Maturity. But, it wasn't at a lack of effort, it's the want to be out there to win, win, and win.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    That was his largest issue coming out of college. Maturity. But, it wasn't at a lack of effort, it's the want to be out there to win, win, and win.
    It was also an issue with the Grizzlies and Rockets not just college. Yes he has a desire to win and is a fierce competitor but his maturity and decision making is questionable at best. His hero ball is responsible for a few losses this year. The key for the team is harnessing his intensity and keeping him under control. The talent and fire is there the only obsticle he has is all mental.

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    So If you could choose between Dragic and Lowry from the rockets last season would everyone still pick Lowry I for 1 like him I hope the recent play of the overall team doesn't turn people and start grabbing the tradeLowry signs the guy is a stud.

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