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    Quote DaveKim wrote: View Post
    It was the bench that was beating us in the fourth, not the clipper starters.
    Exactly. The clippers bench is basically as good as our starting five. They're a deep team, and a good team. We have no business beating them on the road, no matter who's coaching.

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    And Casey didnt even put back in the starters until we were down 19.
    Pretty sure that DD and AB, and maybe Lowry, were put back in when they were ten down.

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    I don't even know why I opened this thread.

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    It could be more or maybe not but there is no doubt that coaching is a problem. His concentration on offence has exposed his(Casey) coaching defects and there will be no harm in making a coaching change. If problems persist, then other changes could be made. IMO if a coaching change is made, problems will continue but to a much lesser degree.
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    Stan Van Gundy is unemployed,
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The coaching is bad but I would more commas in the statement, not a period. And I would add another sentence to follow.

    The coaching, management, talent, and composition of the team is bad. The team has no identity. Period.
    i agree with you Matt.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    I don't even know why I opened this thread.
    wow lol, i thought i opened this thread. my bad. lol

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    It's hard to know how independent of BC a Toronto coach is. Observing both Triano and Casey leads one to believe that BC does manage the lineups from behind the scenes to some degree, but how can we know? Why should BC even have this power, assuming he does? It would seem the team owners are stupid for allowing a businessman to be given coaching authority over an experienced coaches that have played the game themselves. It should be the opposite with coaches having sway over BC's moves. No wonder players don't want to come to this organization.

    If Casey does indeed have free reign then a lot of his coaching moves are fairly questioned: Why did he stick with Rasual Butler for so long? Why does he sub cold guys in the 4th over hot guys? Why does Bargnani get praise ("our guy" etc.) despite being one of the most ineffective starters in the league this year?

    The owners need to figure out if BC is the problem or if DC and JT before him are the problem. I think it must be one of these, maybe both.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    so LK playing well. zone defence got us back in the game and what does casey do? take LK out the game, go away from zone and get trashed in the fourth. My marriage with the raps is not working out.

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    *one of the many problems
    Yeah. I'd point out that the one thing I'v always respected about Casey has been that he's able to get a consistent effort out of his team. I'm almost willing to look past the mysterious subs and in-game decisions, as long as the team gives the effort and competes. But that's not happening any more which leaves me scratching my head as to what Casey is bringing.

    I'm not advocating getting rid of him, he needs a real chance and time. I do think he needs complete autonomy and freedom as to how he runs this team. BC dictating playing time for Ross, Bargnani, Valanciunas etc. is not the way to go and will only hamper Casey, and ultimately the team. Basically, BC needs to stop making the mistakes he made with Mitchell and Triano and back-off.

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    The question which keeps coming to my mind is why would any team start a rookie Centre next to a PF whom is known as a poor defender and rebounder?

    The only reason which makes sense to me is that that team would like to get that Centre up to speed and NBA ready as soon as possible, and sacrificing the season in order to do that is not a problem. This isn't meant as a knock on JV, dude busts his ass every game, but it doesn't change the fact that he is a rookie Centre (that makes mistakes like all rookies do) and to win JV would have to compensate for his own game as well as the PF he's trying to pick up the slack for. I'm actually fine with this.

    But, the only thing I don't understand is if you were going to sacrifice the season to get your Centre up to speed then why not do a better job of securing your draft pick? That is what really is ticking me off right now. You have an opportunity to get a high pick and that pick is likely going to another team.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Yeah. I'd point out that the one thing I'v always respected about Casey has been that he's able to get a consistent effort out of his team. I'm almost willing to look past the mysterious subs and in-game decisions, as long as the team gives the effort and competes. But that's not happening any more which leaves me scratching my head as to what Casey is bringing.

    I'm not advocating getting rid of him, he needs a real chance and time. I do think he needs complete autonomy and freedom as to how he runs this team. BC dictating playing time for Ross, Bargnani, Valanciunas etc. is not the way to go and will only hamper Casey, and ultimately the team. Basically, BC needs to stop making the mistakes he made with Mitchell and Triano and back-off.
    Is there any evidence that BC is dictating playing time, or is this mob feeding opinion?

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    To the earlier point about AB no longer fitting here, I agree...to a point.

    He does not work in the run 'n gun style they are trying to operate. He does, however, play quite well in a half court offense, where he can get set. For whatever reason, BC seems determined to keep up this fast play even though we really don't have the horses for it. Being young and quick is not an automatic indicator that a super fast pace is the way this team should play. Clearly this is not working.

    I say go back to a half court offense (I have to guess that AB has been asked to play the perimeter since it always seems occupied) and you'll see AB do much better. Also, I must say (and I know many will shoot me for this) that KL is not the pg we need. He is tough and does score, but he too often looks for himself (or Derozan). I see too many times where he ignores an open man (be it Bargs or Amir) when it appears they have the easiest shot available. I think we were better with Jose as the starter (sorry, just my opinion...)

    Derozan ROCKS (for the most part).

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    Quote Beagle wrote: View Post
    It's hard to know how independent of BC a Toronto coach is. Observing both Triano and Casey leads one to believe that BC does manage the lineups from behind the scenes to some degree, but how can we know? Why should BC even have this power, assuming he does? It would seem the team owners are stupid for allowing a businessman to be given coaching authority over an experienced coaches that have played the game themselves. It should be the opposite with coaches having sway over BC's moves. No wonder players don't want to come to this organization.

    If Casey does indeed have free reign then a lot of his coaching moves are fairly questioned: Why did he stick with Rasual Butler for so long? Why does he sub cold guys in the 4th over hot guys? Why does Bargnani get praise ("our guy" etc.) despite being one of the most ineffective starters in the league this year?

    The owners need to figure out if BC is the problem or if DC and JT before him are the problem. I think it must be one of these, maybe both.
    So I think I might have an answer (my opinion of course) to this. Both Casey and Triano played Barg like crazy. Mitchell was the only coach to bench Barg and he got fired in my opinion for sitting guys who was not living up to the bill and was not afraid to do so.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Yeah. I'd point out that the one thing I'v always respected about Casey has been that he's able to get a consistent effort out of his team. I'm almost willing to look past the mysterious subs and in-game decisions, as long as the team gives the effort and competes. But that's not happening any more which leaves me scratching my head as to what Casey is bringing.

    I'm not advocating getting rid of him, he needs a real chance and time. I do think he needs complete autonomy and freedom as to how he runs this team. BC dictating playing time for Ross, Bargnani, Valanciunas etc. is not the way to go and will only hamper Casey, and ultimately the team. Basically, BC needs to stop making the mistakes he made with Mitchell and Triano and back-off.
    So Arsenalist, can you please help me out on this one? Is it really that bad a thing for teams to play 3 rookies? Those Rookies playing well this year are doing so partly because they are getting playing time and the chance to make mistakes. But those teams also have a decent bench to recover from most mistakes. Is that what we are lacking? We were suppose to have a strong bench coming in pre-season. What happened to that?

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    Quote Halifax Raps Fan wrote: View Post
    Also, I must say (and I know many will shoot me for this) that KL is not the pg we need. He is tough and does score, but he too often looks for himself (or Derozan). I see too many times where he ignores an open man (be it Bargs or Amir) when it appears they have the easiest shot available. I think we were better with Jose as the starter (sorry, just my opinion...)

    Derozan ROCKS (for the most part).
    I agree with you on both of these points. I stated in an earlier thread that against the Kings that KL is a very good player, however he seems to be thinking about his own shots. Many times I see him bring the ball down, fan off one of his own player to change position and then tries to take the ball to the basket. If the lane closes in, then he tries to pass or he passes when the shot clock is almost out and by that time, the man with the ball don't have time to take a good shot off.

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