Teammates heavily criticized Bargnani in team meeting

[c_bcm]

Poor Bargnani I dont hate him personally but for theis team to get better it has to 1. Trade Bargnani for whatever and have a more solid defensive line up that can go back to grinding Ball, Ed Davis and JV give us good post presence should cut down some of those silly points in the paint. 2. This fires up Bargnani to give a shit of all players he has the worst work ethic honestly if Bargs worked on his game he would be amazing dominant nobody could touch him a 7 footer that can shoot grab boards and easily score in the paint with a polished box and post game? He would truly be incredible if he cared to develop himself imagine Bargnani with DeRozans work ethic? Sam Mitch brought that up recently and I agree.

To this day I still dont fault BC for drafting Bargs, based on his raw skillset and athleticism for a 7 footer he could have been a monster.

Not to nit-pick here. But JV is one of the major reasons the defence has regressed so much this season. Temper expectations a little bit about the post play post-Bargs.

[BasketballCrush]

Ed Davis and JV have been the costliest defensive pairing. (thus far)

[slaw]

It is not at all true that Bargnani is not hard working, has no work ethic etc. What Bargnani does not have at this time is Confidence. It's diminishing day by day because of all the critisism and bashing he's receiving.

He hasn't had confidence for 7 years? Who knew?

I thought the Calipre test thingy said nothing bothered the guy? I thought that was one of his big assets? Oh well, goalposts have now moved so far on this guy they are somewhere in the middle of ocean anyway....

[c_bcm]

I don't care who they trade him for as long as he's a tough ass. I honest think they need a person that will really lead this team by pounding them on bad play. A guy like Kevin Love (won't likely get him). They need A) A tough ass B) A top 10 draft pick for the 2013 draft ... What do you guys think about this?

Pass on the 2013 draft pick. Would love to get a 2014 pick though. Sure, throw a "tough ass" in there too. but the trade is set up for the 2014 pick.

[Matt52]

I'm sure BC would try and use any stategy at his disposal to get as much as possible in a trade for AB. However teams that try to win by by way of focusing only on their offense, aka the Phoenix way, are all shifting back to the traditional defensive style of basketball. Phoenix doesn't have Nash or D'Antoni, Goldens State has changed their philosphy completely, Mav's are in flux and only interested in good contracts for a big move in the summer, Lakers are loaded as is.....maybe the Rockets because Morey seems to have a unique methodology to the way he constructs his team. But in general that "run and gun" style of play isn't used very much these days. If you take a look at the teams with the best offensive ratings in the league this season, it's teams like the Knicks, San Antonio, Miami...whom are all defensive savy teams. Bottom line is that BC is going to have a tough time trading Bargnani and it might be best to ride it out with him this season and them amnesty him, imo.

**sobs**

But, but....

**sobs**

Med.....

**sobs**

OH DAMMIT YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!

**total breakdown**

[c_bcm]

I'm sure BC would try and use any stategy at his disposal to get as much as possible in a trade for AB. However teams that try to win by by way of focusing only on their offense, aka the Phoenix way, are all shifting back to the traditional defensive style of basketball. Phoenix doesn't have Nash or D'Antoni, Goldens State has changed their philosphy completely, Mav's are in flux and only interested in good contracts for a big move in the summer, Lakers are loaded as is.....maybe the Rockets because Morey seems to have a unique methodology to the way he constructs his team. But in general that "run and gun" style of play isn't used very much these days. If you take a look at the teams with the best offensive ratings in the league this season, it's teams like the Knicks, San Antonio, Miami...whom are all defensive savy teams. Bottom line is that BC is going to have a tough time trading Bargnani and it might be best to ride it out with him this season and them amnesty him, imo.

Defensive-savvy and filled with all-world talent. Hard to dissect the 2 imo.

[Balls of Steel]

This franchise is in trouble.

[BasketballCrush]

Other dogs are starting to nip at the alpha.

[smrt]

It is not at all true that Bargnani is not hard working, has no work ethic etc. What Bargnani does not have at this time is Confidence. It's diminishing day by day because of all the critisism and bashing he's receiving.

So his apathetic, lazy play is all our fault.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

[BasketballCrush]

Sorry, when you are in the spotlight and your only source of confidence is what fans think of you on a message board, than chances are you are a born loser and should not be in a professional sports league for men that pays millions per anum.


but hey what do I know maybe the kid really is as soft as downy, all the more reason to get him away from our roster.

[Eric Akshinthala]

So his apathetic, lazy play is all our fault.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

'LAZY' in your opinion. What something seems like and what it actually is are two different things. If you're human you know that life is full of ups and downs. What he's going through is a 'down'. Reaction to his play was exactly the opposite from fans last year, especially in the first part of the season. The big question is, is a fan who stands behind him in good times and critises him in bad times, actually a fan?

[psrs1]

Don't forget about Lowry guys.

Quote from Ryan Wolstat:

"Players yelling at Bargnani and Lowry in the meeting seems about right. Been saying for a while coddling of Bargnani grated on teammates"

Lowry is playing hard and will be able to adjust to the criticism..Lowry shows he cares. AB doesnt care and they all know it. Players see that AB is not held accountable and they get discouraged. AB being 'out indefinetly' may improve overall team morale.

[Steel]

haha thanks Matt, I didnt know how to embed it

[ebrian]

'LAZY' in your opinion. What something seems like and what it actually is are two different things. If you're human you know that life is full of ups and downs. What he's going through is a 'down'. Reaction to his play was exactly the opposite from fans last year, especially in the first part of the season. The big question is, is a fan who stands behind him in good times and critises him in bad times, actually a fan?

I think I answered this already in another thread, but anyone who defends Andrea Bargnani is less of a fan of the Toronto Raptors (re: Andrea Bargnani being the main source of the problems of this team, other than Mr. Colangelo) than someone who disses said player.

Basically what you're saying is you're a bigger fan of Bargnani (and losing lots of games) than we are.

[Eric Akshinthala]

Basically what you're saying is you're a bigger fan of Bargnani (and losing lots of games) than we are.

It's what you're saying I'm saying. As far as what I'm saying is concerned, it's already been said.