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    Just have Bargs come off the bench. No point in trading him if you get nothing for him. Let another line up play. If there is no interest, then amnesty him in the summer and pick up a free agent with the money you save.

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    It is not at all true that Bargnani is not hard working, has no work ethic etc. What Bargnani does not have at this time is Confidence. It's diminishing day by day because of all the critisism and bashing he's receiving.
    Attitude Is A Choice.

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    Perhaps the Bobcats would be interested? They start Byron Mullens, who is basically a crappier version of Bargnani, so why not get the real thing. The Bobcats also have 3 first round picks in the upcoming draft, and some contracts that match up well.
    Best deal would be Bargs for the expiring Diop and Williams + a first round pick.
    Another more realistic possibility is Bargs + Kleiza for Ben Gordon + Reggie Williams + 1st round pick.

    The 3 picks Charlotte has are the Pistons (top 14 protected), Blazers (top 12 protected), and their own. I'm not expecting a lotto pick for Bargs, and Charlotte has already traded away their non-lotto pick to Miami, so the trade would be between the Pistons and Blazers pick. The Blazers pick has more protection (top 12 through 2015), so Charlotte may be willing to part with it.

    I know I know, wishful thinking. That's all we have right now though.

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    I didnt know where to post this but, thought you guys might like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQlc0T5UbU

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    It is not at all true that Bargnani is not hard working, has no work ethic etc. What Bargnani does not have at this time is Confidence. It's diminishing day by day because of all the critisism and bashing he's receiving.
    Your signature says "ATTITUDE IS A CHOICE." Perhaps Bargs should choose to be confident.

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    One other team who might be interested in Bargs is Cleveland. They have Thompson at the 4 and he can't score, can't get to the line, and sucks at free throws. But he's young and could use time to develop. Unfortunately, Cleveland doesn't want to waste time developing Thompson in a starters role, because they have 2 all stars (near super stars) on that team.
    Irving and Varejao could actually get the best out of Bargs. Since Varejao is pulling down 15 boards a game, it won't matter that Bargs is only grabbing 3 or 4. Irving is one of those players who makes everyone around them better, and I'm sure Bargs would flourish (09-10 Bargs numbers).

    Cleveland could send us 2 expiring contracts in Walton and Gibson, then also send either their first round pick (lotto protected), or the Kings protected first round pick.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Your signature says "ATTITUDE IS A CHOICE." Perhaps Bargs should choose to be confident.
    Nobody is more concerned about Bargnani's slump than Bargnani himself. As far as choosing to be confident is concerned, it's easier said than done isn't it? My signature is "ATTITUDE IS A CHOICE" not "CONFIDENCE IS A CHOICE". If despite things not going well at the moment, he's being positive, he's CHOOSING TO HAVE A GOOD ATTITUDE.
    Attitude Is A Choice.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Poor Bargnani I dont hate him personally but for theis team to get better it has to 1. Trade Bargnani for whatever and have a more solid defensive line up that can go back to grinding Ball, Ed Davis and JV give us good post presence should cut down some of those silly points in the paint. 2. This fires up Bargnani to give a shit of all players he has the worst work ethic honestly if Bargs worked on his game he would be amazing dominant nobody could touch him a 7 footer that can shoot grab boards and easily score in the paint with a polished box and post game? He would truly be incredible if he cared to develop himself imagine Bargnani with DeRozans work ethic? Sam Mitch brought that up recently and I agree.

    To this day I still dont fault BC for drafting Bargs, based on his raw skillset and athleticism for a 7 footer he could have been a monster.
    100% agreement here.

    He showed what he can do last season. Scary shit.

    What I do fault BC for is holding on this long. But then again, who is to say I would have done any different. I made a number of excuses for years.
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    I don't care who they trade him for as long as he's a tough ass. I honest think they need a person that will really lead this team by pounding them on bad play. A guy like Kevin Love (won't likely get him). They need A) A tough ass B) A top 10 draft pick for the 2013 draft ... What do you guys think about this?

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    #freebargs it has to happen. I'm hoping Pau is resting his knees to pass the traded player physical. that trade makes sense for both teams. I also assume pau wants out with all the bullshit he gets, but that's pure hope and speculation.

    definitely time to trade bargs though. hope he flourishes wherever he goes.

    the only issue I can see other players having with lowly is his poor attitude when things start to go bad. he looks about as selfish as d.rose out there to me and I have No qualms with the way he plays.

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    Quote Steel wrote: View Post
    I didnt know where to post this but, thought you guys might like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQlc0T5UbU
    Hahaha... The best part is then a guy complains about schedule and improved Bobcats
    (Sorry for poor English )

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    Quote Steel wrote: View Post
    I didnt know where to post this but, thought you guys might like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQlc0T5UbU
    This is the best second post of all time.... like ever. It deserves to be easily clicked and watched. I hope you don't mind the embedding.

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    Quote japetas wrote: View Post
    Hahaha... The best part is then a guy complains about schedule and improved Bobcats
    I nearly pissed myself...that was some funny shit
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    Quote Steel wrote: View Post
    I didnt know where to post this but, thought you guys might like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQlc0T5UbU
    My God, are people still complaining about the Bargnani draft selection? Come on people, he was absolutely the number 1 prospect in that draft.

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Not to divert the attention away from Bargnani but do you get the feeling that the part about Calderon is less investigative journalism of breaking news and more a concept just rehashed from the off season (ie they don't really give a time line for this thought)

    "The Lakers have been reported as a possible destination for Bargnani as part of a possible deal involving forward Pau Gasol, but the big man is up for discussion in any and all trade talks so long as the potential pieces coming Toronto's are good enough that they could help right this ship. Point guard Jose Calderon has made it clear that he would like to be traded, and Colangelo continues to explore the possibilities there as well. A Raptors trade of some significance, more than likely, is on the horizon."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-seat/1759593/
    Or the Lakers may try to keep Gasol, and just trade for Calderon whom Pau is very familiar with playing for their national team. Calderon would work well with the Lakers while Nash is healing and is already use to coming off the bench once Nash is healthy. Wouldn't mind a first round pick as part of a package from the Lakers for JC...especially the way they've been playing so far.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Or the Lakers may try to keep Gasol, and just trade for Calderon whom Pau is very familiar with playing for their national team. Calderon would work well with the Lakers while Nash is healing and is already use to coming off the bench once Nash is healthy. Wouldn't mind a first round pick as part of a package from the Lakers for JC...especially the way they've been playing so far.
    Problem is the Lakers have nothing that should interest Toronto - not even draft picks.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Perhaps the Bobcats would be interested? They start Byron Mullens, who is basically a crappier version of Bargnani, so why not get the real thing. The Bobcats also have 3 first round picks in the upcoming draft, and some contracts that match up well.
    Best deal would be Bargs for the expiring Diop and Williams + a first round pick.
    Another more realistic possibility is Bargs + Kleiza for Ben Gordon + Reggie Williams + 1st round pick.

    The 3 picks Charlotte has are the Pistons (top 14 protected), Blazers (top 12 protected), and their own. I'm not expecting a lotto pick for Bargs, and Charlotte has already traded away their non-lotto pick to Miami, so the trade would be between the Pistons and Blazers pick. The Blazers pick has more protection (top 12 through 2015), so Charlotte may be willing to part with it.

    I know I know, wishful thinking. That's all we have right now though.
    But why would a team whose defense is ranked 26th in the league want to trade for Bargnani? Nobody wants to do us any favours.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Problem is the Lakers have nothing that should interest Toronto - not even draft picks.
    Good point

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    But why would a team whose defense is ranked 26th in the league want to trade for Bargnani? Nobody wants to do us any favours.
    The key is to sell Bargnani on his offense, and use last year's 20 game mark as what he could bring to the table. Bryan is very good at cleaning up his mistakes. Turk was traded and he played much worse than Bargnani and had a worse contract.

    Teams that rely on their offense more than their defense may want a guy like Bargnani on their team. Lakers, Rockets, Warriors, Nuggets, Mavericks, Suns are all teams that like offensive players in their system. These are the teams that I would be trying to contact for a potential trade.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    The key is to sell Bargnani on his offense, and use last year's 20 game mark as what he could bring to the table. Bryan is very good at cleaning up his mistakes. Turk was traded and he played much worse than Bargnani and had a worse contract.

    Teams that rely on their offense more than their defense may want a guy like Bargnani on their team. Lakers, Rockets, Warriors, Nuggets, Mavericks, Suns are all teams that like offensive players in their system. These are the teams that I would be trying to contact for a potential trade.
    I'm sure BC would try and use any stategy at his disposal to get as much as possible in a trade for AB. However teams that try to win by by way of focusing only on their offense, aka the Phoenix way, are all shifting back to the traditional defensive style of basketball. Phoenix doesn't have Nash or D'Antoni, Goldens State has changed their philosphy completely, Mav's are in flux and only interested in good contracts for a big move in the summer, Lakers are loaded as is.....maybe the Rockets because Morey seems to have a unique methodology to the way he constructs his team. But in general that "run and gun" style of play isn't used very much these days. If you take a look at the teams with the best offensive ratings in the league this season, it's teams like the Knicks, San Antonio, Miami...whom are all defensive savy teams. Bottom line is that BC is going to have a tough time trading Bargnani and it might be best to ride it out with him this season and them amnesty him, imo.

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