Grange: What is Colangelo's biggest error in Toronto?

[Matt52]

From Twitter:

Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange

For those who would have Colangelo ousted; I'm curious: his biggest error? #RTZ

I think it is a good question.

What do you think his biggest error has been?

[Nilanka]

It's either deciding to build around Bosh, or deciding to build around Bargnani.

[joey_hesketh]

It's either deciding to build around Bosh.

Pretty sure he was hired for this sole reason. Not sure it was really his decision.
And people need to stop pretending Bosh was anything near as good as Carmelo/DWill, and therefore we should have gotten a huge package back for him. We would have been lucky to get a lottery pick for him.

[Craiger]

It's either deciding to build around Bosh, or deciding to build around Bargnani.

+1

Its a toss up for me aswell on those two because building around Bosh was the initial mistake, but building around Bargnani was a blatantly foolish move.

[Mediumcore]

It's either deciding to build around Bosh, or deciding to build around Bargnani.

Keeping in mind that we've never been able to attract a franchise player through free agency and franchise players aren't players that can be easily traded for what could he have done? It's a making lemonade out of lemons situation.

Ofcourse, he could have tanked to try and get some high draft picks, and hopefully landed a true franchise player, but you know as he likes to say, tanking is not in his DNA.

[Matt52]

In thinking of this, I came up with a lot of possibilities. But given what has transpired this season with #tradeBargnani, I'm rolling with this - final answer:

When he fired Sam Mitchell. It was that firing that has created the culture of coddling Bargnani by everyone within the organization. That decision has created a double standard and lack of accountability for Bargnani while placing coaches in a situation where their integrity is questioned based on the words they speak and the actions people see.

[joey_hesketh]

When he fired Sam Mitchell.

You know Matt, I love it when we agree.

[Matt52]

You know Matt, I love it when we agree.

Pffffft!

So boring.

[Mediumcore]

In thinking of this, I came up with a lot of possibilities. But given what has transpired this season with #tradeBargnani, I'm rolling with this - final answer:

When he fired Sam Mitchell. It was that firing that has created the culture of coddling Bargnani by everyone within the organization. That decision has created a double standard and lack of accountability for Bargnani while placing coaches in a situation where their integrity is questioned based on the words they speak and the actions people see.

I don't know if there is any proof of coach Mitchell having been fired because he was tough on Bargnani and held him accountable, so I don't know if it's proper to make that statement.

[Balls of Steel]

I don't know if there is any proof of coach Mitchell having been fired because he was tough on Bargnani and held him accountable, so I don't know if it's proper to make that statement.

It was super-obvious. Tough love, not speaking to AB throughout pre-season. It was there man. Pairing Evans with Bargs as his rebounding assistant was the last straw for me.

[Balls of Steel]

That pairing was during Triano's era btw.

[Matt52]

I don't know if there is any proof of coach Mitchell having been fired because he was tough on Bargnani and held him accountable, so I don't know if it's proper to make that statement.

That is fair and true enough.

I was going on rumours over the years that may or may not actually be factual.

Good call.

Regardless of the rationale I gave, everything went to hell in a handcart when Mitchell was fired so I'm sticking with it. Now would he have made a difference? We'll never know.

[Deadallus]

That is fair and true enough.

I was going on rumours over the years that may or may not actually be factual.

Good call.

Regardless of the rationale I gave, everything went to hell in a handcart when Mitchell was fired so I'm sticking with it. Now would he have made a difference? We'll never know.

I don't think the firing was a result of how Mitchell handled Bargs, but I don't think any coach since else has slapped him around the way Sam Mitchell did.

[Nilanka]

I don't know if there is any proof of coach Mitchell having been fired because he was tough on Bargnani and held him accountable, so I don't know if it's proper to make that statement.

But you have to admit that an 8-9 start isn't disastrous enough to warrant dismissal (especially when you factor in Triano's record for the remainder of the season).

There must've been something else going on that helped Smitch through the door. Whether it was Bargnani or not, who knows.

[RapRepRip]

But you have to admit that an 8-9 start isn't disastrous enough to warrant dismissal (especially when you factor in Triano's record for the remainder of the season).

There must've been something else going on that helped Smitch through the door. Whether it was Bargnani or not, who knows.

No, he wanted to be the Executive Coach, and Sam said, stay out of my job.

[Mediumcore]

But you have to admit that an 8-9 start isn't disastrous enough to warrant dismissal (especially when you factor in Triano's record for the remainder of the season).

There must've been something else going on that helped Smitch through the door. Whether it was Bargnani or not, who knows.

Absolutely, but just would not say it as a statement unless I had some proof of it. Could have been that Bosh whom was the face of the franchise at that time wanted him gone for all we know.

[connected]

But you have to admit that an 8-9 start isn't disastrous enough to warrant dismissal (especially when you factor in Triano's record for the remainder of the season).

There must've been something else going on that helped Smitch through the door. Whether it was Bargnani or not, who knows.

maybe he wrestled more players than just Vince

[Nilanka]

maybe he wrestled more players than just Vince

Well, he did make Rafer Alston cry....

[KaioKev]

I don't know if there is any proof of coach Mitchell having been fired because he was tough on Bargnani and held him accountable, so I don't know if it's proper to make that statement.

Officially - to the press anyways, Mitchell was fired because after starting off 8-7, the Raptors lost 2 straight and fell to 8-9. Colangelo then fired Mitchell because "the team was better than their 8-9 record"

For me, it was not just the firing of Mitchell but also hiring of Triano. When Mitchell was fired I admit I was a believer in Colangelo and I expected him to hire a renown coach. But then he hired Triano on an interim basis and then full-time the following season. I immediately began to believe this was a publicity stunt to have the first "Canadian" coach coaching a Canadian-based/owned team.

I also believe that Colangelo wasn't happy with the way Mitchell was using Bargnani

Looking back though Mitchell's 8-9 team was an 8-9 or .500 club.

Speaking of Mitchell, it seems we've (Canadians and Raptor Fans) have been speaking about Mitchell a lot and he's been featured on some of our sports channels. I guess we really miss him.......

[Brandon]

In thinking of this, I came up with a lot of possibilities. But given what has transpired this season with #tradeBargnani, I'm rolling with this - final answer:

When he fired Sam Mitchell. It was that firing that has created the culture of coddling Bargnani by everyone within the organization. That decision has created a double standard and lack of accountability for Bargnani while placing coaches in a situation where their integrity is questioned based on the words they speak and the actions people see.

I almost agree, except for two things: Mitchell is not a good head coach, and should have been fired after getting into a fight with Vinsanity, and jeez, there are so many other bad moves, almost everything is as bad as that. His whole Raps career. I mean it's been a disaster.