Was drafting Darko over Melo a mistake?
Was drafting Darko over Melo a mistake?
If you're looking for Mr. Perfect to be GM, he doesn't exist.
Attitude Is A Choice.
He has two sets of rules.....ones that apply to most players and ones that apply to his main horses ie. Bosh and Bargnani....He is impatient frequently with most players BUT too patient with his main horses. This is because he has a hard time admitting he was wrong. ie...should have traded Bosh in off season prior to his last year here and failing to recognize that AB is not nearly as good as he thinks thus over valuating his trade potential.
Are you kidding me? Carmelo was an NBA ready player, there wasn't much to develop. He lead his school to the NCAA Championship. I have a feeling he would fit in-in Detroit just fine.
Clear #1 pick if it wasn't for James, in any other year.
Last edited by BasketballCrush; Thu Dec 13th, 2012 at 07:36 PM.
For me the big mistake wasn't so much Bargnani, because I don't blame him for trying to surface potential that WAS there. No sir! For me, the problem was treating Calderon like an untouchable god of sorts. It was clear that Ford was the better point guard in the beginning for me, and I strongly think we should have given Ford the peace of mind that his spot was somewhat in stone rather than create competition with another player-rather than focus on the team. On top of this, Jose got a fat contract which is difficult to move because of the little bang-for-buck.
.......Oh and not giving Pops a decent contract...
For me, it was not just the firing of Mitchell but also hiring of Triano. When Mitchell was fired I admit I was a believer in Colangelo and I expected him to hire a renown coach. But then he hired Triano on an interim basis and then full-time the following season. I immediately began to believe this was a publicity stunt to have the first "Canadian" coach coaching a Canadian-based/owned team.
I also believe that Colangelo wasn't happy with the way Mitchell was using Bargnani
Looking back though Mitchell's 8-9 team was an 8-9 or .500 club.
Speaking of Mitchell, it seems we've (Canadians and Raptor Fans) have been speaking about Mitchell a lot and he's been featured on some of our sports channels. I guess we really miss him.......
Bryan repeadly said that Triano is a players coach and players will be more comfortable playing through their mistakes. (hint hint)
...we scrapped that plan fast (once the results became evident).
In life, the higher up you go on the ladder the more accounting there is to do. The accounting never stops. At least for those of us with responsibilites.
I was so upset when we drafted AB instead of Aldridge. I always figured that Aldridge was a safer bet. AB could have been better but with the way the franchise has gone I think it would have been more prudent to go with more of a sure thing. I think LA would have been able to play with Bosh and he bailed anyway so moot point.
Player development definitely is important, I call your Carmelo and raise you a Beasley, and with that in mind, hiring Triano was pretty bad as well, there wasn't any player growth at all under him. Compare the Triano years with Casey, and the difference is astounding, where did all that defense come from?
I remembering begging Chuck Swirsky to somehow convince the raps to draft Aldridge. If only Chuck listened.
When Colangelo gets fired or is let go (this is inevitable because this team is *NOT* going to turn things around), it's going to take him a long time to get back to the point where he's able to run an organization like he did here in Toronto. Let's face it, we've given him more than most first time GMs get -- let's not kid ourselves into thinking Phoenix was ALL him *cough* (daddy Colangelo).
I'm trying to pinpoint the moment in which all other owners thought to themselves "Geez, this guy has really f|_|cked things up in Toronto. Likely really, really badly." If I'm an owner in the NBA, I'm thinking okay -- he drafted some guys who didn't pan out, and he signed some guys he shouldn't have. Yea he bid against himself a few times but he's worried about the team outlook and was sure about who he wanted. And he's had some bad luck with some injuries and guys not re-signing.
But it isn't until that recent interview where he threw his coach and draft pick under the bus and then proceeded to explain how this team has enough talent, where I think most owners must have looked up and thought "holy cow, this guy is a complete jack-ass. thank goodness he's not my GM."
TJ Ford/Nesterovic/1st Rounder > JO > Marion > Turkoglu > Barbosa > 2nd Round Pick....
* slow clap*
Last edited by Fully; Fri Dec 14th, 2012 at 12:34 PM.
On the other hand, some people mention that, at the time, they weren't in favor of Bargnani either. That's not exactly a good argument either when it's not supported by a solid argument on what basis they came to that conclusion, as the value of their assessment is completely unknown. What's their track record, where did they base their ideas on? Are some of those people, for example, the same people who wanted us to draft Biyombo instead of Valanciunas? Are some of those the same people who wanted us to sign Ilyasova this summer? A lot of times it's nothing more than bar-talk after drinking a lot of beer and thinking you're an expert basketball scout.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
For what it's worth, I preferred Aldridge over Bargnani at the time because I thought he was much more of a sure thing. Some of this was no doubt caused from being able to watch Aldridge play in the NCAA for two seasons where Bargnani was virtually an unknown. There were also a couple of highly drafted european big men in previous seasons (Darko, Tskitishvili) who came to the NBA with similar scouting reports as Bargnani and ended up being big flops. Overall I think drafting Bargnani first was a mistake, but didn't become a glaring one until Colangelo stubbornly propped him up as a franchise cornerstone and made so many moves to seemingly cater to him.
My larger problem is with those who say things like "How was Colangelo supposed to know that Turkoglu would be such a bum?" or "the Jermaine O'Neal deal was a good idea at the time. Colangelo just got unlucky". I have heard countless variations of this sentiment during my time on the RR forums and I find it mind boggling.
First off, NBA general manager is a position which should be judged on results, not good intentions, no matter what type of external variables may be in play or how unlucky a person may seemingly be. The most infuriating part of Colangelo's reign however is that I don't think you can say that BC got unlucky at all... I just think he got duped, or did a poor job basically at his position. All it would have taken was a quick search at basketball reference to see that JO missed almost as many games as he played in the four years leading up to Toronto trading for him, and that his stats were quickly submarining. A similar search of Turkoglu's career prior to Colangelo throwing a boatload of money at him would have revealed that Hedo had been an average player for most of his career, save for the last two seasons in Orlando where he was playing for his big pay day.
I remember there were fans (I was one of them) who were echoing these things at the time, and yet Colangelo seemed to lack any type of foresight whatsoever.
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