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    Default Mike Conley w/ a quote equally relevant to the Raps as Grizz

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    Conley talked about a key to leadership is being accountable, and being able to say "Hey, I made mistakes, here's what I'm doing wrong."
    I think this is a money shot for Lowry and Bargnani right now.

    Bargnani, though, in my opinion is never going to get it so I'm not wasting any more pixels.

    Lowry, on the other hand, needs to recognize Conley's quote, in my opinion. I think his error is not believing in the system and not believing in his teammates. The last 2 games the Raptors are showing the system and the players are something to believe in and Lowry is the one who needs to conform not the other way around.
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    Lowry has that bulldog determination, which sometimes works to the detriment of team play. When Calderon starts I can't help feel that the Raptors have a better chance of winning.

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    Lowry has that bulldog determination, which sometimes works to the detriment of team play. When Calderon starts I can't help feel that the Raptors have a better chance of winning.
    I disagree.

    I think Raps are a better team with Lowry but he has to be much more selective in picking his spots. He also has to get healthy.
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    Ball movement is better with Jose, not sure if that is a familialrity thing, with players like Amir, maybe Lowry will get it eventually. (Lowry is the better of the two, but Jose make others better, so its a toss up)

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    The Raptors have a better record with Calderon starting, 3-6, than Lowry, 2-13.

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    The Raptors have a better record with Calderon starting, 3-6, than Lowry, 2-13.
    you forgot the other losing seasons under dribbles tho?!........at this point we know what dribbles can do he is nothing more than a quality back-up nothing more lowry is better than dribbles period....plz tell your dealer to send me some of what your smoking plz 0.o

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    People keep saying Lowry is a better player than Calderon and I;m not so sure. What are you guys basing your opinions on? Does he get to the basket better? Maybe. Does he shoot it better? Arguable. Is he a better defender? Hasn't shown that yet either. Is he a better passer? Nope. Is he more agressive? Absolutely. Not sure how that all adds up, but to my eye he hasn't shown any ability to run a team yet. And yes I am sure that trust and a fierce competitive spirit have something to do with that, but ultimately I don't know if he is the right fit as is. I agree with Matt that it is Lowry who has to change his style of play to fit in.

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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    The Raptors have a better record with Calderon starting, 3-6, than Lowry, 2-13.
    Calderon is so bad defensively if anyone is saying that its better for us to have Calderon then Lowry is crazy.. The same people probably want to keep Bargs to..

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    I think it would have been great that when Dallas went zone to stall us last night would have been a thank god for Lowry moment he would have attacked that defense. Calderon's approach was awful against Dallas got settled and rested in zone casue Calderon never ever penetrates it didnt matter much that night though cause Raps were hitting their shots.

    As for the record with Lowry starting eg Calderon starting, Lowry came off a bad sprain which bruised his bone he doesnt have the blow by drive or lift in his legs back yet, hes been plying very felton-esque with that injury. Lowry spoken up about it in pre season that the pace should be slower cause it makes the defense off balance at times, Lowry will play better now that Davis is starting no more having to waste 5 minutes in the 1st trying to get mr Pasta going.

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    Quote JB5 wrote: View Post
    Calderon is so bad defensively if anyone is saying that its better for us to have Calderon then Lowry is crazy.. The same people probably want to keep Bargs to..
    This years team has a much worse defensive record than last year. Some of it is because of JV "anchoring" the defence (the rookie factor), and some of it is because Lowry doesn't play good team defence. Calderon is the consummate team player.

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    There is no question that Lowry is talented and is the more aggressive guard. We have been hungry for that aggressiveness for a while.


    Jose has looked good this year. Could be because its a contract year, but he has been very smart and I am not seeing the same defensive sieve I did last year. At least, I don't recall a time when I was thinking, get Lowry in there Jose is getting abused. I have been mindful of the score when Jose comes in for Lowry and we have been fairing very well.


    So with due respect, if Jose is playing better we should also have the decency to admit that he has been very beneficial to our team this season, even if you do consider him as Lowry's backup.
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    Quote Jkwasia wrote: View Post
    you forgot the other losing seasons under dribbles tho?!........at this point we know what dribbles can do he is nothing more than a quality back-up nothing more lowry is better than dribbles period....plz tell your dealer to send me some of what your smoking plz 0.o
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    Quote JB5 wrote: View Post
    Calderon is so bad defensively if anyone is saying that its better for us to have Calderon then Lowry is crazy.. The same people probably want to keep Bargs to..
    Lowry is just as bad as Calderon defensively.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Lowry is just as bad as Calderon defensively.
    And Bargs will win the dunk contest

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    I think we will be fine if lowry goes back to how he was playing pre injury. I don't remember seeing this many errant passes and ill advised shots in that pre injury stretch. The production from ed davis and derozan will increase if lowry gets back to this play, they will have space to work with, rather than jose shaving a few seconds off the clock, and handing to them with a defender in their face, that stretch in the 2nd half against brooklyn was painful to watch. Valanciunas might struggle a little more offensively with lowry back.

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    Quote JB5 wrote: View Post
    Calderon is so bad defensively if anyone is saying that its better for us to have Calderon then Lowry is crazy.. The same people probably want to keep Bargs to..
    Anyone that watched the game could see they played much better without lowry and bargnani. It simple, lowry has to lead us to wins. if he cant and calderon can, so be it. Lowry is way to selfish at time. I loved him at the beginning but I dont know if he is the answer for us at pg. can he turn it around? ya, probably. but until then he should start thinking about the team and not his next contract.

    Jose has proved to be a much better leader. I wish Lowry would learn a thing or two.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    This years team has a much worse defensive record than last year. Some of it is because of JV "anchoring" the defence (the rookie factor), and some of it is because Lowry doesn't play good team defence. Calderon is the consummate team player.
    +1

    Although JV shows a lot of promises and will likely be an above average starter-quality center, I rate his defense as poor at the moment.

    I agree with you when you say Lowry does not play good team defense. But neither does Jose. I believe Lowry is slightly better than Calderon overall and, being the younger of the young, I hope we will be able to resign for something in the 10-12 million per year range.

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    Quote Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
    And Bargs will win the dunk contest
    lol amen..

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    I think lowrys defense is fine, he just needs to stop going for steals, and focus on keeping his man in front of him. Pack it in the paint Casey style boys!

    His rebounding is amazing, that in itself makes him an asset defensively.
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