- Jose is 31 years old and we are rebuilding. -> Rebuilding teams need veterans. Jose has always been a good leader and teammate.
- He is injury prone (I admit he's been healthy the last couple of seasons) and will play every international event (world cup + olympics) -> He is a bit injury prone, but if you've watched Lowry this season, you've also seen how much an injury can influence performance for any player. Difference is, when Jose's play goes down a bit from playing hurt, he doesn't drag the rest of the team down trying to force his game.
- He will probably get offers from Europe once his contract ends, which potentially means overpaying to keep him. $7M per season would be too much to keep him. -> Jose will stay in the NBA as long as he thinks he can play here. I don't think he'll leave for Spain until he retires from the NBA, and he's definitely not ready for that. Also, the offers from Europe won't be that big...a lot of teams are trying to save money these days. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get an NBA deal at maybe 3-4 mill per year for 2 or 3 years. Maybe a mid-level for a one or 2 year deal, tops, if a playoff team really wants a backup veteran PG.
- He is not a winner. How do you explain last year when he was a starter? Bryan, Andrea and Jose are all constants from the past 7 years. They all need to go. -> Umm....He was maybe our best player in the playoff series against the Nets. He's been part of winners here, in Spain before he came, and with the Spanish National team. Give him good players to play with and he invariably has success.
- If he is asked to play backup, then he will probably get minutes in the 4th. I hate the 2PG line up, especially late in the game. -> This has entirely nothing to do with Jose. This is a coach's decision. Whether you hate it or not, if it works, why not do it? If it doesn't, then isn't that the coach's fault for trying or failing to recognize? What makes you think Casey will not use another PG, like Lucas or whoever, as a 2nd PG......
- His assist to turnover is low, but he plays it safe. Safe ball does not equate to winning ball, not in the NBA. -> Say that in the playoffs, where turnovers lose series....Just ask OKC. Safe ball does equate to winning ball. Maybe Jose could stand to take a few more chances here and there, but his mentality is fine. Maybe we need another player or two who can make those plays instead...they don't have to come from your PG, but Demar can't do that, and we don't have a SF, really at all, right now.
- For a guy with a quality FG% he seems afraid to shoot the ball. -> Reluctant, maybe, but not afraid. This is one of Jose's flaws, and it's one most coaches are a little glad to have in a PG, because he is always looking for his teammates to score instead of himself.
There are three constants in Toronto the last 7 years: Bargnani, Colangelo, and Calderon. They should all go so the franchise can move forward. Jose is not the only problem but he was predominantly the starting point guard so he does have his fair share of the responsibility.
For the record, I would love nothing more than to see Jose continue in Toronto as a backup after this season. There is no question he is a good player but he is not a difference maker as your post implies.
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Honestly is this surprising? everyone in the league and fans themselves know Calderon is a good point guard no doubt about it, its just anytime someone comes in to replace him he plays much much better I think being a starter for Raps so long it hurts his ego to come off the bench and hinders his play.
Granted though a healthy Lowry is the real deal and woud much rather start him over Calderon and thats not an insult to him just a recognition of what Lowry as a player is.
One of the main problems here is that people are simply advocating for Lowry over Calderon based on age. Is it that outlandish to think that Calderon will be playing as long as a reckless Kyle Lowry? I mean Jose's only 4 and a half years older than Lowry and his playing style is much more suited to lasting deep into his 30's. I'm not saying that Jose is a Hall of Famer but Jose could very well last as long as Steve Nash whereas I see Lowry out of the NBA at the age of 34 or 35. The point is, once Lowry starts slowing down, he's done whereas Jose will be playing this way for another 5-6 years, more than enough time to find a good point guard in the draft.
Jesus H Mr. Christie!
What kool-aid are people drinking, I want in!
This is what makes Toronto fans so crazy, one minute we love our team the next we hate. Same with the players. What nonsense.
Let me clear things up. Lowry is a solid solid PG, and definately worth putting in as our starter. If you want to be stat geeks, check out Hollingers PER, explains a lot.
If I could trade Calderon, I would. Especially if a high value player could be in got in return, if not then keep him.
I'm glad he had a great game, I'm glad we won, but let's not forget that we still suck...sorry to be the hope dasher. What's worse is whether or not this turns into another classic 30-52, 34-48, 29-53, season. In which case we'll have no pick...awesome.
Calderon is not a starter, if he was we could have traded him earlier for something....it never happened.
Can we get back to normal, let's continue to dislike this season (despite the exciting win) until they at least get to .500, and stop thinking that Calderon is the answer and that Lowry was a misstep.
i8theball.com it's a website...about, you know....basketball.
Especially if people really do think that Lowry is the problem (given when you compare both player's current positions in PER (Lowry at 6th vs Calderon at 24) for PGs. Or taking all players into account (33 for Lowry vs 97 for Calderon)..for what its worth, the only other Raptor in the top 50 is Ed Davis at 27.
In terms of whats wrong with the Raptors...the problem ISN'T at PG.
i think this draft is the best draft to lose a pick!
The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
I don't think anyone doubts what Jose can do on offense. He's a good distributor, can hit open shots, protects the ball and manages the game well, but what's always been his achiles heel is his defense. If he could play D then he would be very comparable to J. Kidd, imo, and there would be no doubts as to whether he is a worthy starter or not.
Maybe unrelated but I think "Kendall Marshall" will be something special when he gets some legit NBA time.
Lowry hasn't feasted on anybody since the first few games. Injuries aside, I am getting the feeling that he and the Raptors are not such a good fit. He's a solid player, he would look good in a Lakers uniform.
Everyone hating on joses lack of a winning record is forgetting to look at other constants. Being the players around him, hes played with Finesse big men his entire tenure as a raptor and now that he has some good pick and roll partners and good backcourt defense he is obviously going to play some of the best basketball of his career. Jose is not the problem. Bargnani and Bosh were.
I will say that trading Jose is probably the best action going forward buy only if there is significant value coming back. Jose may not be the solution for this team , but frankly if Jose isnt, then neither is Lowry.
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