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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    That was suppose to happen from day one, but he never stuck to that. So yes he did say he is focusing his attention to defense, however should not have taken him this long to do so. I am sure he had help in coming to that conclusion though!
    Seriously.

    Actions > words.

    I hope he sticks to it this time because it seems he has regained the locker room. I am unsure if he could regain a second time.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    ...I hope he sticks to it this time because it seems he has regained the locker room. I am unsure if he could regain a second time.
    I think this is significant...though all through the terrible stretch, players kept saying how 'Coach" was keeping them centered and was there for them etc. etc. They were certainly plying like he had lost them, but maybe it was only one or two guys he had lost...

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    I really wish there was an audio to that meeting they had, Im pretty sure everyone is in tis together and buys into Casey especially now more than ever, Bargnani on the other hand I think has lost major support from the team, and needless to say we have to ship him asap.

    Calderon awful defender still but he puts forth an effort of what Casey wants him to do, and really thats all you can ask for. Remember when Casey told Bargnani hands up and get me 2-3 rebounds a quarter and playing closer to the basket more? things were working then but I think Bargs is too far gone Kyle without a doubt will buy in and be solid once again.

    I want to point out that Fields has to play just to get back in game shape and hopefully hit some shots to get his confidence back., not saying throw him to the sharks but get him back involved little by little.

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    I don't know if Casey has "figured anything out". He's still playing his vets, but right now Bargs and Lowry are both injured so he has to play Ed, Amir and JV whom are much better defenders. I think once Bargs gets back Casey will go right back to playing him. Not saying he wants to, but that seems to be the mandate. This winning streak is nice, but I don't know if it has much to do with a change in coaching style or if it has more to do with a soft schedule and our soft big being injured.

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    How do you figure that?
    Last year Houston was 1 game over .500 with him out, and 1 game over .500 with him in.
    Year before that, they were -1 with him out, +5 with him in.
    Year before that, they were -4 with him out, +6 with him in.
    Actions speak louder. He lost his starting spot on both teams to other PG's with "inferior skills"

    Don't get me wrong, I think he is very talented and has a lot to offer. I hope he figures it out and is able to fit in to the team concept of the game. He has not shown that ability to date.

    There always seems to be an argument about shoot first vs. pass first PG's. But if you look at Jose over the last 3 or 4 games, that to me is how the position is supposed to be played. He is looking for his offense and scoring, but not at the expense of his teammates, also racking up double digits assists.

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    I really think we put too much stock into defending the point of attack. Obviously Lowry is going to help slow them down, but the PG position is arguably the strongest in the NBA. You are not going to guard the Rose's, Westbrooks, and Parkers Mano et Mano. It comes down to the system and effort in my opinion. The system is good, the effort seems to be there.

    SO knowing that , is it really worth disrupting the teams obvious chemistry and team play, for a marginal upgrade at point "defense"

    As I see it Defensively : Effort: Calderon > Lowry
    Ability: Lowry> Calderon
    System Buy In: Calderon> Lowry

    Lowry simply just gambles too much on defense for my liking, which in turn leaves too many open perimeter shots, but then again , Im neither a coach nor a GM. And im sure some of you are thankful for that.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I don't know if Casey has "figured anything out". He's still playing his vets, but right now Bargs and Lowry are both injured so he has to play Ed, Amir and JV whom are much better defenders. I think once Bargs gets back Casey will go right back to playing him. Not saying he wants to, but that seems to be the mandate. This winning streak is nice, but I don't know if it has much to do with a change in coaching style or if it has more to do with a soft schedule and our soft big being injured.
    Are you seriously trying to say that when Barg comes back, and he plays and we start losing again that Casey will continue to play him over what's been working for us? Look at Knicks. Amar'e Stoudemire said he is willing to come off the bench if it means the team continues to win. He is making way more money that Barg. If he can do it, why can't Barg. Should be winning first in my opinion.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you seriously trying to say that when Barg comes back, and he plays and we start losing again that Casey will continue to play him over what's been working for us? Look at Knicks. Amar'e Stoudemire said he is willing to come off the bench if it means the team continues to win. He is making way more money that Barg. If he can do it, why can't Barg. Should be winning first in my opinion.
    I think Mediumcore is right. Based on Casey's track record, he will play Bargnani after he comes back from injury, even if it means costing team chemistry. And sorry you have the wrong analogy here. Knicks were doing exceptionally good when Melo was injured last year and Lin was leading the Knicks. He came back from injury and Woodson had no choice but to play him. And why wont he, Melo is the franchise player. Fans pay for tickets to see him play. ANd Woodson continued to play him even though it cost the Knicks some games. Same here. Like it or not, Bargnani is this team's franchise player. And that's what management believes as well. So yes, i think after injury, Casey will play Bargnani, win or lose, whether we like it or not.

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    I do think he is figuring things out and at the same time, Bargnani's injury is contributing to a free-flowing offense. When Bargnani is on the court, offense becomes stagnant. Its as if Calderon has blinders and only looks for Bargnani in every possession, much like when he was playing with Bosh. I do think Bargnani will ruin the current flow of offense and i hope he doesnt come back. Lowry on the other hand, would probably find a way to fit in.

    I wish Casey would give Ross more minutes tho. I think Ross' already scratched the surface when it comes to his potential, but there's waaaay more the we havent seen.

    With this free-flowing offense, wouldnt it be amazing to have Josh Smith as a 4 and Rudy Gay as a 3???? hehehehehe

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Knicks were doing exceptionally good when Melo was injured last year and Lin was leading the Knicks. He came back from injury and Woodson had no choice but to play him. And why wont he, Melo is the franchise player. Fans pay for tickets to see him play. ANd Woodson continued to play him even though it cost the Knicks some games. Same here. Like it or not, Bargnani is this team's franchise player. And that's what management believes as well. So yes, i think after injury, Casey will play Bargnani, win or lose, whether we like it or not.
    I am finding it hard to believe that the Woodson will keep playing Amar'e if they suddenly start losing game back to back. He is expected to get his touches each games like Melo. The difference with this years team and last years team is that last year, it was a very short spurt of wins. this year they are doing better than the Heat and Nets and fans are happy about that. I don't think they cares who is playing. They are there to see their team win.

    And like a true professional, or because of the backlash Melo took last year after they started losing when he came back in the line up, Amar'e said he is open to come off the bench if that means the team winning ways continues. http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...e-bench-needed

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    Maybe the ony similiarity between sam, triano, and casey was the coaching from Bryan on how the team should play. Maybe after last week, Casey had enough gumption to shake Bryan off his leg.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    I think Mediumcore is right. Based on Casey's track record, he will play Bargnani after he comes back from injury, even if it means costing team chemistry. And sorry you have the wrong analogy here. Knicks were doing exceptionally good when Melo was injured last year and Lin was leading the Knicks. He came back from injury and Woodson had no choice but to play him. And why wont he, Melo is the franchise player. Fans pay for tickets to see him play. ANd Woodson continued to play him even though it cost the Knicks some games. Same here. Like it or not, Bargnani is this team's franchise player. And that's what management believes as well. So yes, i think after injury, Casey will play Bargnani, win or lose, whether we like it or not.
    "Come hell or high water" may become one of those infamous statements in the annals of Raptors history along with BC's "on paper" or Vince Carters "I don't want to dunk any more."

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    I am finding it hard to believe that the Woodson will keep playing Amar'e if they suddenly start losing game back to back. He is expected to get his touches each games like Melo. The difference with this years team and last years team is that last year, it was a very short spurt of wins. this year they are doing better than the Heat and Nets and fans are happy about that. I don't think they cares who is playing. They are there to see their team win.

    And like a true professional, or because of the backlash Melo took last year after they started losing when he came back in the line up, Amar'e said he is open to come off the bench if that means the team winning ways continues. http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...e-bench-needed
    Sorry, my bad, i wasnt very clear with my argument. I do agree with you regarding Amare, i agree that Woodson would likely sit him if playing him affected team chemistry. What i was implying was your assumption that if Amare is going to sit then Casey should sit Bargs too for the sake of keeping team chemistry, is not a good comparison. What would be comparable is Melo situation with the Knicks last year.

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    bargnani isnt a franchise player so that doesnt make him it for our team. i dont think there is one sane fan who is paying to see him play and if management still thinks that then bc will be gone very soon. i liked bargs but its time for him to go. i hope he can find his game somewhere else and take that next step just to break colangelos heart.

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    Quote CT2010 wrote: View Post
    Let us not forget that we have played significantly better with Lowry injured as well. As did all his previous teams.
    What are you talking about?

    I agree that Lowry needed an ego check but we are definitly not better with him out....the honest to god difference is the fact that AB is not playing.

    If a player comes down the floor and takes a 3 (or long 2) without our offense being set (which AB does all the time), a long rebound comes out and we give a transition opportunity to the other team. This means that if AB takes 15-20 shots a game, this could lead to AT LEAST 5-10 high % scoring opportunities more per game. if you couple this with the fact that he turns the ball over more than ed davis does...the way AB plays offensively makes us a worse defensive team...let alone the fact that he cannot guard well off the ball anyway.

    My point is, this has nothing to do with Casey. Did he succumb to the pressure a little bit in terms of trying to make us better on the other side of the ball, yes, but a non-motivated played who shoots 15-20 times a game is a death wish.

    This has been addition by subtraction..nothing else

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    I think Casey struggled early on this season with coaching under the pressure of expectations. Despite not having a very talented roster last year, I don't think his job was particularly difficult relative to other NBA coaches. There were zero expectations (and we've learned since that losing was almost encouraged), and Casey got to play the underdog card every night to try and motivate a young and hungry group. It's widely accepted that it's easier to coach as an underdog then it is as a favourite.

    I do think the absence of Bargnani and Lowry is benefitting this group somewhat. My personal opinion is that neither of them were playing a style of basketball conducive to winning when they went down with injury. However I think losing both of them at the same time, especially coupled with the team essentially hitting rock bottom, allowed Casey to get back to his comfort zone from last season where expectations are very low.

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    I'm not sure Casey has had much, if anything, to do with it.

    Alan Anderson has given them production at the SF spot that they haven't had all year. That's helped.

    Calderon has been terrific. Amir has been very good. Davis has solidified the defence, though his offensive numbers are inconsistent.

    Not having Bargnani in there eating up 20 shots a game and stopping the offense has also helped.

    And, finally, you have to acknowledge that they beat a Dallas team that has been playing awful as of late; Houston played terribly and the other win was against Cleveland. One of the few teams in the NBA worse than the Raps.

    Let's not go crazy here....

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure Casey has had much, if anything, to do with it.

    Alan Anderson has given them production at the SF spot that they haven't had all year. That's helped.

    Calderon has been terrific. Amir has been very good. Davis has solidified the defence, though his offensive numbers are inconsistent.

    Not having Bargnani in there eating up 20 shots a game and stopping the offense has also helped.

    And, finally, you have to acknowledge that they beat a Dallas team that has been playing awful as of late; Houston played terribly and the other win was against Cleveland. One of the few teams in the NBA worse than the Raps.

    Let's not go crazy here....
    +1

    I was going to point this out as well, but hey, lets not spoil the fun! and whatever dignity we have left! hahaha

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you seriously trying to say that when Barg comes back, and he plays and we start losing again that Casey will continue to play him over what's been working for us? Look at Knicks. Amar'e Stoudemire said he is willing to come off the bench if it means the team continues to win. He is making way more money that Barg. If he can do it, why can't Barg. Should be winning first in my opinion.
    I totally agree, but what I'm saying is that 1) Casey hasn't figured anything out and that the fact that he's playing the guys he is playing now has more to do with injuries than a change in his coaching philosophy and 2) it seems like playing Bargs isn't so much something he wants to do as much as it is something he is told to do. No proof of it out there, but I think he will go back to Andrea as the starter when he gets back.

    Keep your fingers crossed that Bargs is traded sooner than later.

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    [QUOTE=BallaBalla;172599]What are you talking about?

    If a player comes down the floor and takes a 3 (or long 2) without our offense being set (which AB does all the time), a long rebound comes out and we give a transition opportunity to the other team.

    You have just described Lowry's entire offensive game this season so far. Long 3's with little success. Combined with terrible D and a selfish demenour.

    As I have said in the past I believe he is a good player and has the skill to be a game changer, but he hasn't shown that he has the mental ability to play the PG spot effectively. He doesn't make anyone on his team better. It is very obvious by watching the way the team responds to Jose, that his style of play is better suited to this team.

    To Lowry's defence, I believe he was brought in to be the guy who takes the last shot, tries to make things happen etc. but he has definitely taken that role way to seriously and it has hurt the team. He is every bit as responsible for the losing as AB, Casey, or anyone else that has had the finger pointed at them during the first 25 games of the season.

    Again, I am hoping that Lowry is able to learn and thrive in a team oriented game, but he has not shown that ability yet.

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