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    Default Trade Jose at the height of his value

    Even with our nice 4 game streak, the raps aren't going to do anything this season. If we trade Calderon now, we could get some valuable assets, and maybe still sign him at the end of the season.
    Some reasonable deals I like:

    Package Jose and Bargnani for Kings first rounder (2013 or 2014), Aaron Brooks and Thompson.
    Calderon to Memphis for Wrotten, and Speights
    Calderon to Dallas for 2013 first rounder(might be lotto) and jae crowder

    I especially like the last deal - especially cause it could definitely happen.
    Your potential deals?

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    while I won't get into specific trade proposals I am torn about whether to keep him or sell high

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    was thinking the same thing. sell high like we should have with bargs. its the only way this team will ever get better we always sell low

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    Quote raptors98 wrote: View Post
    Even with our nice 4 game streak, the raps aren't going to do anything this season. If we trade Calderon now, we could get some valuable assets, and maybe still sign him at the end of the season.
    Some reasonable deals I like:

    Package Jose and Bargnani for Kings first rounder (2013 or 2014), Aaron Brooks and Thompson.
    Calderon to Memphis for Wrotten, and Speights
    Calderon to Dallas for 2013 first rounder(might be lotto) and jae crowder

    I especially like the last deal - especially cause it could definitely happen.
    Your potential deals?
    None of those trades actually work in Real Life though ... None of the teams involved have the required Cap Space to take on the added Salary. All reasonable deals on Paper, but not realistic when you take into consideration the CBA and Salaries.

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    Honestly I wouldnt mind if Jose retired a Raptor Lifer..if the deal to extend him makes sense & Jose accepts his role what ever it may be at any given moment... He's earned at least that much

    Bargs on the other hand, I hope he never wears the jersey again!

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    Move him. Tell him we'd love to have him back next year and will be in the bidding for his services.

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    I wouldnt

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    Honestly I wouldnt mind if Jose retired a Raptor Lifer..if the deal to extend him makes sense & Jose accepts his role what ever it may be at any given moment... He's earned at least that much

    Bargs on the other hand, I hope he never wears the jersey again!
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    like lawrence frank said," i don't know why they keep bringing in gaurds to replace calderon." why trade a assest? the only way i give up on calderon is if we get eric beldsoe
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    Quote knickz wrote: View Post
    like lawrence frank said," i don't know why they keep bringing in gaurds to replace calderon." why trade a assest? the only way i give up on calderon is if we get eric beldsoe
    Or Derrick Williams.
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    The trade HAS to be right. We need him, he's a key part of our wins this season, but we could get someone whatever position to really be a key piece as well.

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    Since Raps. don't have a 1st round pick next year, they should definitely try to acquire one. I don't think trading Jose will help them acquire one though. Trading Lowry will. That's what I think they should do. Get creative and package a big contract along with him for a 2013 1st rounder and a useful piece/s. The PG situation can be addressed in the off-season.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    None of those trades actually work in Real Life though ... None of the teams involved have the required Cap Space to take on the added Salary. All reasonable deals on Paper, but not realistic when you take into consideration the CBA and Salaries.

    Use the trade machine to test out all your trades:
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    Sacramento and Dallas cannot trade first round picks either.

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    Quote knickz wrote: View Post
    like lawrence frank said," i don't know why they keep bringing in gaurds to replace calderon." why trade a assest? the only way i give up on calderon is if we get eric beldsoe
    Totally agree with everything in this post! Why should we need to trade him? We're not gonna get better player for him. At current form he's easily one of the best PG's in the league and you want to trade a guy for Speighs or second rounder Crowder. Jose is 7.5 years younger than Nash, and Nash still has 3 years 9M/yr. Maybe he's not as good as Nash was couple years ago, but you urged BC to sign 38 year guy for about 3-year 30M contract, and now you want to get rid of quite similar player. Cmon.. Even if Jose won't resign with us after season, we could still get better player from FA than Speighs...
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    Quote japetas wrote: View Post
    Totally agree with everything in this post! Why should we need to trade him? We're not gonna get better player for him. At current form he's easily one of the best PG's in the league and you want to trade a guy for Speighs or second rounder Crowder. Jose is 7.5 years younger than Nash, and Nash still has 3 years 9M/yr. Maybe he's not as good as Nash was couple years ago, but you urged BC to sign 38 year guy for about 3-year 30M contract, and now you want to get rid of quite similar player. Cmon.. Even if Jose won't resign with us after season, we could still get better player from FA than Speighs...
    Totally agree...Jose is a legit starter and a superb team player. He is a great leader and it will be a great loss for the Raptors when he leaves. It would be great to see him stay and finish career with Raps but it will not happen. He has proven himself time after time only to watch management look for other solutions at PG. Only when he leaves will we truly realize what we lost.

    Jose vs. Ford = Jose
    Jose vs Jack = Jose
    Jose vs Bayless = Jose
    Jose vs Lowry = Jose

    If he could not prove himself to management after this what else could he do. The damage is done. We are losing Jose and will regret it.

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    Quote Raptorboy wrote: View Post
    ...Only when he leaves will we truly realize what we lost....We are losing Jose and will regret it.
    Best reason to trade him. Trade him as a rental to a team that is going into the play=offs, and get something back that can help the team. He's got a house here, and his family is here. If the Raps can do something to improve, and can acquire some talent in the off-season, he might be more likely to come back on a new contract.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Best reason to trade him. Trade him as a rental to a team that is going into the play=offs, and get something back that can help the team. He's got a house here, and his family is here. If the Raps can do something to improve, and can acquire some talent in the off-season, he might be more likely to come back on a new contract.
    I think it will be a lot harder to resign him if he got traded. I don't recall any one ever being traded and then resigned by the team that traded him. It may have happened, but I probably have not paid close enough attention. I do believe that if Jose gets traded he will no longer be a Rap.

    There are several reasons why I want Jose traded, but the main one is a coaching reason. I absolutely hate the 2PG line up, especially in the 4th quarter. If Lowry is our starting PG and is given 35 MPG, then would Jose be happy with 10-15 MPG? I do believe that a PG does their best work when they don't have someone looking over their shoulder on the same team. Competition can be good, but not for the PG spot - not in my opinion.

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    Quote Raptorboy wrote: View Post
    Totally agree...Jose is a legit starter and a superb team player. He is a great leader and it will be a great loss for the Raptors when he leaves. It would be great to see him stay and finish career with Raps but it will not happen. He has proven himself time after time only to watch management look for other solutions at PG. Only when he leaves will we truly realize what we lost.

    Jose vs. Ford = Jose
    Jose vs Jack = Jose
    Jose vs Bayless = Jose
    Jose vs Lowry = Jose


    If he could not prove himself to management after this what else could he do. The damage is done. We are losing Jose and will regret it.
    Guys, here is the record of our team with Jose as a starter for at least part of the year (2007-2008 TJ ford started most of the season but then got injured there is a caveate for the 1 500 season)

    2007–08 NBA Eastern Atlantic 2nd 41 41 .500
    2008–09 NBA Eastern Atlantic 4th 33 49 .402
    2009–10 NBA Eastern Atlantic 2nd 40 42 .488
    2010–11 NBA Eastern Atlantic 5th 22 60 .268


    What you need to understand is that Ford, Jack and Bayless, you could argue are just as good. The problem is Jose's game just does not translate into winning over the long term. He cannot defend. period.

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    Quote japetas wrote: View Post
    Totally agree with everything in this post! Why should we need to trade him? We're not gonna get better player for him. At current form he's easily one of the best PG's in the league and you want to trade a guy for Speighs or second rounder Crowder. Jose is 7.5 years younger than Nash, and Nash still has 3 years 9M/yr. Maybe he's not as good as Nash was couple years ago, but you urged BC to sign 38 year guy for about 3-year 30M contract, and now you want to get rid of quite similar player. Cmon.. Even if Jose won't resign with us after season, we could still get better player from FA than Speighs...
    That's exactly what it comes down to. Can you get more for Jose through a trade when his stock is high or is his salary which comes off the books at the end of the season more valuable to the team? Considering the difficulty Toronto has attracting free agents the cap space might not necessarily be more valuable. To his credit Jose is making himself more valuable as a trade chip imo.

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    Guys, here is the record of our team with Jose as a starter for at least part of the year (2007-2008 TJ ford started most of the season but then got injured there is a caveate for the 1 500 season)

    2007–08 NBA Eastern Atlantic 2nd 41 41 .500
    2008–09 NBA Eastern Atlantic 4th 33 49 .402
    2009–10 NBA Eastern Atlantic 2nd 40 42 .488
    2010–11 NBA Eastern Atlantic 5th 22 60 .268


    What you need to understand is that Ford, Jack and Bayless, you could argue are just as good. The problem is Jose's game just does not translate into winning over the long term. He cannot defend. period.
    Jose started half the 2007/08 season, he was injured for a good portion of the 2008/09 season (+ Bargnani was forced into the starting line up), Jose started half the 2009/10 season, then the team tanked for the next 2 years. So exactly why is this on Jose?

    It shuoldn't be seen as Jose's fault Colangelo put a greater emphasis on Bargnani over the years and the team progressively got worse.

    As for his defense, yes he is not a good defender. But I posted the numbers earlier and this team has played good defense with Jose on the floor (they are showing this again this year). The bigger problem on defense has been Bargnani, not Jose

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